Legacy Challenge Rules Teaser: Succession Laws

Two children, but who will be the heir of the 2nd generation?

Two children, but who will be the heir of the 2nd generation?

In a previous post, I made a poll asking the community to weigh in on how I should handle the question of ‘who becomes heir’. With a little bit of variation, the results have become crystal clear and pretty much maintained these ratios since day 2 of the poll.

With over a thousand responses, here is how the results were distributed.

50% of you, selected “I like the rule where the first born must be the heir”
30% of you didn’t like the idea of being forced to stick with the first born and wanted to go with the child of their choice.
15% of you didn’t have a strong opinion either way and would play the challenge however I wrote it.

Lastly, 5% of you picked ‘other’ and had quite a wide variety of very insightful responses.

Now, technically, the “First born must be the heir” rule choice won, but I don’t like that it only won by a small margin. I have also done more thoughts on the matter and have come up with the final rules for The Sims 4 Legacy Challenge in how heirs are going to be handled and chosen.

Here they are:

Succession Law

As part of the creation of your founder, you must also decide, before you even start playing your new Legacy Family, what your succession law is. This decision must be made at the very start of the challenge, and may not be changed at all for the duration of your family’s 10 generations. The law has three different components, and you must make a selection for all three categories. That said, the components can be mixed and matched however you like.

Component 1: Gender Law

Here are the options governing how your challenge handles gender.

  • Matriarchy: Founder must be female. Female children inherit over male children, but males may inherit if there are no females present.
  • Strict Matriarchy: Same as Matriarchy but males are NOT eligible at all to be called heir. ONLY a female can be an heir.
  • Patriarchy: Same as Matriarchy, but you must start with a male founder and the rule applies to male children.
  • Strict Patriarchy: Same as strict matriarchy but with a male founder and male children.
  • Equality: May start with either gender founder, gender does not play any factor in determining order of succession and heirs may be of either gender.
  • Strict Equality: May start with either gender founder, but each generation MUST have an heir of the opposite gender, alternating back and forth. Children of the same gender as their parent are not eligible to be named Heir.
Being a Balanced family, young Lance isn't heir just because he's a boy.

The Masque Family follows the “Equality” gender law, thus Lance being a boy does not impact his ability to become heir. Had the family been a matriarchy, Lance’s younger sister Lady Fara would be heiress instead of him.

Component 2: Heir Selection

  • First Born: The oldest child who is eligible must be the heir. The heir will never change unless the eldest child dies.
  • Last Born: The youngest eligible child becomes heir. The heir can change if a new eligible child is born younger than the previous heir.
  • Living Will: The eligible child with the highest relationship score with their primary parent(The previous generation’s heir or founder) becomes the heir. The heir can change as relationship scores change.
  • Merit: The children who have successfully completed the greatest number of aspirations (including childhood aspirations) are first to inherit. Ties are broken by the sim who was first to obtain that many completed aspirations. The heir can change as the number of completed aspirations change.
  • Strength: The first born eligible child starts out with the title of heir by default. At any time, an eligible sibling may challenge the current holder of the title to a physical fight. If they win, they claim the title by force. The title may be fought over and change hands any number of times until the previous heir/founder dies.
The Masque family follows the first born rule, thus Lance gets the title of heir simply because he was born first. Had they followed a "living will" Lady Fara would be the current heir as she has a much higher relationship with her mother than Lance.

The Masque family follows the “first born” rule, thus Lance gets the title of heir simply because he was born first. Had they followed a “living will” law, Lady Fara would be the current heir as she has a much higher relationship with her mother than Lance.

Component 3: Bloodline

Strict Traditional: In order to be eligible, a child must be able to trace their bloodline back to the original founder by birth. Children may be adopted, but they may never be heir. This is the classic rule for previous incarnations of the Legacy Challenge.

Traditional: Both natural born children and adopted children may inherit, but natural born children trump adopted children and inherit above them. This takes prescience over gender law.

Modern: Adopted and natural born children are treated equally for the purposes of determining succession order.

Foster: Adopted children and natural born children may inherit, but adopted children trump natural born children, and inherit above them. This takes precedence over gender law.

Strict Foster: Only adopted children may be heir. Natural born children may not carry the family line.

And yes, with the Traditional, Modern, Foster and Strict Foster bloodline options; homosexual spouses will be absolutely viable.

The Masque family follows the "Strict Traditional" bloodline law. But since both Lance and Lady Fara were naturally born, they are both eligible. If Lance were adopted, Lady Fara would be heir.

The Masque family follows the “Strict Traditional” bloodline law. But since Lady Cheshire gave birth to both Lance and Lady Fara, they are both eligible, so it doesn’t impact who is heir. If Lance were adopted, Lady Fara would be heir.

With these three components, you can mix and match to make any sort of succession law.

So a Patriarchy – Living Will – Modern family would mean that the heir would be the son that the founder likes the most, but that son could be adopted or born naturally. If the founder has no sons, then their favorite daughter would be chosen and could be adopted or natural born.

A Strict Balanced – Last Born -Traditional With a Male founder would name the youngest female child as the heir, with adopted children being illegible unless there were no female natural-born children, at which point the youngest adopted female adopted child could inherit.

Now… this DOES make it where some succession laws are “harder” or “easier” than others. However, I have decided to not tie your choice of succession law to any sort of points. Thus the succession law you choose is strictly a matter of personal choice and what sort of ‘flavor’ you want your Legacy family to have and if you want to give yourself a little extra challenge.

The “easiest” succession law would be an Equality, Living Will, Modern, which would allow you to pick whatever child you wanted as heir (by selectively managing their relationships) and even allow adopted children to be considered.

The “hardest” succession law would likely be a Strict Matriarchy First Born Strict Traditional, as women have a more limited window to when they can have children, and the heiress must be the oldest women from among the founder’s children, and they better hope they have a girl before they grow too old.

There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ succession law, and no legacy challenge family is meant to be ‘better’ or ‘worse’ because they choose one law over another. Just pick whatever feels right. It might seem very complex at first, but once you pick your family’s law, that is the only law you need to worry about.

Posted by Pinstar Legacy

43 comments

I really like that Living Will option. I tend to not prioritize family relationships because I am focusing on skills and careers. I like that this brings relationship building to the forefront. I think I will go for Matriarchy – Living Will – Traditional.

By the way, I’m belladuke97 on YouTube. I’ve commented on a couple of Christina’s videos.

I like that we can mix up the succession rules to create a unique legacy. Can’t wait to hear more details on the rules!

KitOnlyHuman

As I was reading this, I was like “Ooh! Strict Matriarchy and Strict Traditional seems best for me.” Of course it’s the hardest. XD Can’t wait! Thank you very much.

Wow, this looks so much fun! I am really looking forward to playing TS4 challenge. I love building relationships within the family 🙂 Living Will will make everything more challenging… I already see my founder’s children thinking about ways how to convince their parent that they are the best! LOL

In my current legacy, I decided that the first child that will get married will become the heir… So actually they have to prove their parent by marrying someone that they are conscious about building a family that will last for decades 🙂 I thought that it would be challenging for the kids as well… However, the older kids are a little advantaged here, but you never know when you meet the right guy/girl and decide to get married, right?

Wait, how can you do this sense the Sims 4 doesn’t have any family trees? o_o

ImaginingMystic

We are still discussing this, but hopefully we can come up with a way to track it without the use of family trees.

We can always use third-party programs and websites I guess.

Pen and paper/Screenshots?

I am so pumped for sims 4 so I can start another legacy!!

So…what are all these options for? Do we pick one…or?

Also- as for the family tree thing, i suggest we just write them down, to keep track of everything, or you could create like a chart thing online for anyone to fill in the names/pictures whatever.

Online as in like google.docs, this also will help keep track of whose doing it and whose not! I don’t know- just an idea! 😀 The easiest one if probably just to write them down/type them up, but you could always just make a template.

These are just ideas- and I’m not sure if they could work, but eh.

ImaginingMystic

You choose one from each category 🙂 Google Docs is what we were thinking about as well, but trying to figure out other options as well.

This is great! I love how we can choose our own so we can do it differently each challenge 😀

My first challenge for TS4 will probably go Strict Equality – First Born – Strict Traditional. I think it’ll give my game a few good twists.

Thanks for this! I can’t wait to see the rest of the rules. I think my first legacy is going to be Equality – First Born – Traditional 😀

I like all the options, I do not know if you can choose the sex of your child when it is born, If I can I will probably go with must be a male.
If I cannot choose the sex of my child when born, then I will go with first born or adopted male or female, as I only have one child per generation.

Pinstar Legacy

The ability to pick your adopted child’s gender is in the game. If I allow it in the challenge depends if there are gender foods that let you influence the gender if a naturally born child. If the fruit is available, I’ll allow you to pick the adopted child’s gender, otherwise it will be a coin flip to keep things fair between adopted and natural born children.

Ok, I’ll go with that, sounds good. I like that idea. I have always played boys for my heir, but it may be a little more different to do different sex children. thanks for the response.

I like how you’ve mixed it up a bit. Living will seems like a interesting option to choose. As a player, you have a little control but there’s enough room for it to not completely be controlled by the player.

Aiko Shirabe

Strict Equality – Strength – Modern is what I’ll try playing with first =D These are all fantastic options, thank you! I think in my game though that the parent of the current heir chooses the challenge by their traits, weather it be a fight, or a chess game or some other challenge that is in gameplay. So say the parent was a geek, maybe the challenge would be to win a video game against the other (if possible). Or if the parents trait had music lover, the challenge could be who skills up in an instrument skill faster. So many options available for a challenge to succession.

Cool! I think I will go with Strict Matriarchy – Merit – Strict Traditional first. But maybe Modern would be fun too, because the biological and the adopted daugthers could then compete fiercely and bring some drama to the story… lol

I love that there can be a mix of options like this! Great idea. It also means that if I wanted two different “flavours”, I could actually have two different families/saves and or do another flavour if/when I ever complete the first legacy. LOL

Going to have to think hard about which combo to use first. 😀

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This is a great, elegant and inclusive system! Well done. I’m champing at the bit for the release of Sims 4. Discovering your legacy challenge has given me new, ongoing excitement to play!

Cool! I like that you like my alternating version for the legacy! I cannot wait to play…only 10 more days 🙂

Equality – First Born – Strict Traditional
Matriarchy – Last Born – Modern

I can’t decide which of these to choose for my first legacy. I love the mix and match selections. I’d love to use these Succession Rules for the TS2 and TS3 games too if allowed.

P.S. Jennifer, your idea of an alternating gender choice was great!

I like Strict Equality, But I don’t like anything in Component 2 because no where does it state you can just choice your favorite. Each one is either chosen by gender or relationship to parent. I don’t like the Strength either because I wouldn’t want the siblings to be fighting all the time. I do appreciate Component 3 because that works well for same sex couples.

Sorry Component 2 is first born or last born or relationship to parent. Not gender I got confused on my initial comment.

ImaginingMystic

I mentioned this to Pinstar when the rules were first posted. It will be added in 🙂

I will probably go for Equality – Strength – Traditional. Although, for strength, if I want generation x to be an artsy-generation, I might instead have the “duel” be whoever makes the more valued painting.

ImaginingMystic

Great idea!

🙁 I wanted my rule to be: the heir is the one who has the highest relationship level with the previous heir at time of death.

ImaginingMystic

The thing about the Legacy Challenge is that the rules are and always have been open to your interpretation. If you prefer it that way, do it! 🙂

Pinstar Legacy

That is actually how it works. While someone might hold the title of heir now, that can always change. The two events that ‘lock in’ the title is the death of the previous heir or the birth of the next generation by the current heir title_holder. This allows you to have 3 generations alive at once if you want.

What if in your own legacy that your middle son wants to fight with the founder or previous male heir?

Pinstar Legacy

I debated making the children fight their parent for the title but decided against it. If a middle son wants the title, they have to beat Their eldest sibling in a fight.

so you’re saying if I (or others) wanted too do it we could?

Do you plan to have the full list of rules for the sims 4 posted in time for when the game is released on Tuesday?

ImaginingMystic

Yes he does! He has a draft written already, he just has a few more things to add to it once he playtests them in game. I’d expect the rules to be up later in the day on the 2nd.

ImaginingMystic

Oops, actually I’m wrong. Rules won’t be posted until Thursday so he has enough time to playtest everything and make sure it works properly.

I used a third-party, free genealogical program to maintain family trees in previous games, just because the in-game family tree tended to get glitchy after a few generations. I plan to use the same sort of thing again, and would have, even if there were in-game family trees.

Kerry, I’ve sort of been looking at family tree software of late. Would you be willing to share the name of the program you use?

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