Sims 4 Legacy Challenge – Gameplay Rules

Sims 4 Legacy Challenge – Gameplay Rules

Sims 4 Legacy Challenge Gameplay Rules


The following is a set of rules and restrictions you must follow when playing your Sims 4 Legacy Challenge. They are mainly here to keep the challenge balanced and maintain a degree of difficulty as you play through your 10 generations.

  1. No cheats/hacks/mods that give you an advantage over someone who did not use them. I leave this rule deliberately open-ended because of the sheer variety of cheats/mods and hacks out there that have been, and will be made. The rule of thumb is that using a specific cheat/hack/mod will not put your family in any better of a position compared to someone who did not use one. For example, money cheats like motherlode and kaching would be against this rule because someone who did not use them would have less money than someone who did. Where as a mod that, for example, created a brand new yellow shirt in CAS that your Sims could use, would be fine because having a pretty yellow shirt would not cause your family to gain any more points than someone who stuck with the stock clothing options.

  2. No restarting after bad events. Did your Sim get fired from a bad chance card? Did you burn down your kitchen because you forgot a smoke alarm? Did that baby get born a boy when you really wanted a girl? Keep the results and move ahead. Taking the bad events with the good makes the challenge more interesting and struggling back from failure states is half the fun. Restarting to recover from a crash, glitch, bug, or other technical problem is allowed.

  3. You may not move or merge in other Sims into the Legacy Family with the exception Sims that will aid in bringing in the next generation aka the “spouse”. (See the Spouse section for details. As of the latest rule change, you can bring in more than one spouse). You may have non-heir family members leave the Legacy Family, but once they are gone, they may not be moved back in.

  4. The Legacy Family must remain on the same lot for the duration of the challenge. They are free (and encouraged) to develop their house but they may not move into a new house. Rooms may be imported into the house from the exchange as long as the family pays full price for the construction and items contained within. *NOTE* If you purchased Sims 4 Get Together and would like to move your established family onto one of the larger 64 x 64 lots in Windenburg you can do this ONCE. Once you move them, you can not move them back to a smaller lot.

  5. A Sim may utilize an anti-aging item ONCE in their lifetime. This includes drinking a youth potion or milking the cow plant. Any cheats that freeze aging or lengthen (or shorten) lifespan times may not be used.Sims lifespans must be set to “Normal” in the gameplay menu.

  6. You may not change a Sim’s current aspiration. The exception is when they fully complete an aspiration. When that happens, you may choose their new aspiration, as long as it is not one they’ve already completed.

  7. You may not bring a Sim back from the dead once the reaper has taken them. You MAY plead with the reaper in order to save a recently dead Sim.

  8. You may not move/marry out the sim who currently holds the title of ‘heir’. All of the other children in that generation (known as ‘spares’) may move or marry out. Once a sim moves out, they are ineligible to be heir, even if conditions change that might make them the rightful heir.

  9. When playing a Legacy Challenge, your legacy family is the ONLY family you may play in that saved game. You MAY move in new families into the neighborhood during your challenge (keeping in mind that they can be used for friends, but not spouses) but you may not play them

  10. You are allowed to follow Sims to their jobs if taking the new Doctor, Detective, or Scientist careers. Since these careers do not branch, having a sim reach the top level will satisfy the ‘both branches’ requirement in the Nature category.
  11. The Wishing Well from the Sims 4 Romantic Garden Pack can be used only ONCE per Sim in their lifetime. Once a Sim in the Legacy family uses their one wish, they may no longer use the Wishing Well again during their life. So use that one wish wisely!
  12. If you have The Sims 4 City Living and marry in a spouse with the “City Native” aspiration, you may use the Random Trait Generator to get them a new aspiration (ignore whatever traits it gives you, you are only changing the aspiration).
  13. You may start with an Alien or Vampire Founder and have Alien/Vampire heirs. If you start with a Vampire founder, keep in mind that Vampires are immortal. It is up to you to decide what to do with the older generations (you can be as sinister with that as you wish).
  14. Any Sim in the household can be set as a Toddler’s caretaker. All objects added with the Toddler update are Legacy legal.


Spouses may not bring in any money with them when they move in/marry into the family. To prevent this, you may merge townies into families with one another prior to moving them in. A Sim who is not the last member of their household will not bring any money into the household. Alternatively, if a Sim does bring in money, use the money cheat to reduce the family’s new balance to whatever it was prior to the new sim moving in.

The restriction on the number of Sims moving into the Legacy family house has been lifted. You may now move in as many sims as you wish, as long as none of them brings in any money. You may have spares get married if you so desire and create ‘cadet branches’ within the household.

The first spouse who is brought into the household specifically to partner with the heir is known as the primary spouse. (Partnering may or may not include marriage or reproduction, and depending on your succession laws, can be a same-gendered Sim). You may only have one “Primary Spouse” per generation, but may move in any number of secondary spouses.

There have been many reports that the automatic generation of random townies peters out over time, leaving the dating pool barren. To combat this I am easing up on the restriction of using gallery sims for Legacy Challenge spouse material. On the gallery, look up #LegacyLoves (name suggested by BossJinja) any and all families you find there can be brought into your world and become eligible spouses. You can even add your own entries! Simply make one or more sims in CAS, then upload them to the gallery wiht the #LegacyLoves tag. Please do not upload pre-played sims to that hashtag as it remembers their skills. Please don’t write what the Sims’s traits are in the description. I don’t want people to be able to pick and choose what traits their spouses have.


Regardless of your succession law, you may always introduce children into your family via pregnancy or adoption. (Bloodline law will determine which are eligible to be heirs). With the addition of The Sims 4 Get to Work alien babies can also be brought into the family via abduction. The game enforces the conditions needed to have children via pregnancy. In order to adopt a child, both your Sim and their spouse must be alive and living in the same house. Children may only be adopted as infants. You may not adopt if there are any infants (natural born or adopted) living in the house at the time and must wait for them to grow to children before adopting a new one. You may rename the child, and it is recommended (but not required) that you change their last name to the Legacy Family’s name. While same-gendered heirs and spouses will can’t have children by pregnancy, it does not matter for adoption.

Regardless of their status, when an infant ages up into a child, you must roll for their aspiration and their first trait using the calculator found here. Be sure to put the traits of the two parents (even for adopted children) in the calculator because the algorithm it uses factors those in when generating random traits for the children. When the child grows into a teenager, you consult the calculator again for their adult aspiration and their second trait. Finally the calculator will be used to generate the third trait upon reaching young adulthood.

There is an option here to generate both aspirations and all three traits for a sim at once, though the proper method is to wait until the Sim ages up. And remember- No re-rolling! One of the hallmarks of this challenge is getting randomly generated children so you should keep the good with the bad. Since the traits of the parents have an influence on the traits of their children, you can try to engineer children by selecting spouses with desirable traits, but this is no guarantee.

You are allowed to use fruit and/or music to influence the gender of an unborn child, should you choose to do so.

The addition of Toddlers should not change the flow of your Legacy families, you just have a new age to deal with.


  • You may use the death flower to guarantee success when pleading with the reaper to save a dying sim.
  • You may NOT use ambrosia to resurrect a dead sim. (You may cook it and have living sims eat it if you wish)
  • You may invite ghost sims back into your family. However, they no longer earn your Legacy family any Legacy Challenge points. They may not purchase potions of youth, any completed skills, aspirations or other Legacy Challenge scoring methods do not count. They may not take a job. They cannot memorialize other sims. If they were a member of the Legacy Challenge family
  • Ghost Sims can still be memorialized but only by Sims that knew them in life.
  • An invited ghost who is no longer welcome may be moved out just like unwanted family members.

On to the Scoring section of the challenge Rules!

Click HERE for the trait generator. You may want to bookmark this page as you’ll be using it a lot!



  1. I have a few questions.

    So here is what generated from the female Sim I’m currently playing and the person she is currently pursuing as a test of the generator (thanks for making this!).

    Generated Traits:
    Gender: Male
    Child: Self Assured
    Teen: Art Lover
    Adult: Snob
    Generated Aspirations:
    Child Aspiration: Social Butterfly
    Adult Aspiration: Public Enemy

    Why is there a gender generated? Do I keep generating children until I get a match of gender to what the baby is?

    So according to the rules, I should just take Self Assured and Social Butterfly for the child and then come back and generate again?

    Second generated outcome:

    Generated Traits:
    Gender: Female
    Child: Cheerful
    Teen: Self Assured
    Adult: Slob
    Generated Aspirations:
    Child Aspiration: Whiz Kid
    Adult Aspiration: The Curator

    So I did it a second time and now I have Self Assured as the teen trait. I had already chosen that for the child trait when I used the generator the first time. What should one do now? I suppose if I am to generate until matching the gender I might get lucky and not have a repeated trait, but what do we do if that happens?

    Thanks for taking the time to write up these Legacy rules. It definitely is my preferred way to play Sims.

    1. Author

      The gender generated is only important if you are adopting a child, as it tells you which gender you must pick. If you are having, and rolling for, a naturally born child, ignore the gender field.

      This trait generator is currently in beta. Soon you will have an option to only generate one aspiration or trait at a time, or all 3 at once. The gender option will also be more clearly marked as being meant for adoptions only.

      As far as doing it one trait at a time for now, just pay attention to the trait/aspiration that is relevant to your sim’s new stage of life, and re-roll if you get a duplicate or conflicting result. The generator should be updated within the week to streamline all this.

        1. Ahh okay, I asked this question somewhere to. So glad it was answered. Thank you Pinstar. Loving the challenge so far.

      1. I can’t Generate my child, I have went on to the generate calculator and put in my sims traits but the father of my child isn’t living with me and we are not in a relationship but I have found out his traits and tried to put them in but it wont let me add the 3rd one.

        also am I allowed to age up my baby or do I have to wait till it ages up themselves??

  2. Can the founder sell items/collectables to supplement their income in the beginning?

  3. What lot are we supposed to start on

    1. Any 50 by 50 lot. You have to bulldoze the house and then move your founder in and build a starter home.

  4. Does the father of the children need to be living in the house/on the lot?

    1. Author

      They do not. In fact, they don’t even count as one of the family’s limited number of “Spouses” as long as they are never invited in. Granted, they can’t earn you any points beyond just impregnating your female heir to bring about the next generation.

  5. Why can’t spouses live in the house on a map?
    Assuming they moved in randomly and were not there from the start or moved in by player.

    1. Author

      The reason you are limited to random townies is so that you cannot hand-craft (or hand pick from the gallery) your ideal spouse. Your choice of spouses and their traits is limited to the dating pool at the moment, and you have to do leg work to find out their traits if you want to know them before you bring them into the house.

      1. This isn’t actually true, due to the “manage households” option from the worlds menu. You can click on that and view the stats of any sim in either of the worlds, regardless of whether or not they are living in a home on the map.

      2. For rule number 9 when you move sim families into the town to be your friends or neighbors are you allowed to marry them a few generations later? Assuming that they have intermingled with other townies and produced random offspring

        1. You can marry Sims from the gallery whenever you want, there is a hashtag you can search for called #legacyloves which includes randomly created Sims to be used as spouses. Pinstar just requests that you not look at their traits beforehand. Just to avoid having people pick and choose the traits of the spouse.

      3. That is a shame because I found a perfect husband for my sims, but only after that I found out that he has a house.

  6. Thanks for the quick response! I’ve already begun my new legacy… It’s always been an intergalactic part of my Simming!

  7. I just moved in a townie for a spouse and he brought with him 20,000 simoleons! Am I allowed to keep that money or dump it?

    1. Author

      All moved-in townies now bring in 20k. It does not vary anymore. While I *wish* they had tuned it to bring in only 10k you are allowed to use that money. Luckily the beefier bills will eat into that much more than they ever have in previous titles.

      1. My legacy founder’s spouse didn’t bring any money, because he happened to be living with another randomly generated townie. I’m not sure if there’s any way to know that beforehand (maybe I should have canceled the move in interaction as soon as I saw that!) but it definitely made for a more challenging beginning! Almost 12 Sim days in and I finally have some walls and windows on my house. There’s no money in the coffers and I fear for the next bill payment!

        1. If you go to Manage Households, then Unplayed Households, it shows you even all the homeless townie families. So you can see who has “family” and who doesn’t.

      2. So we ARE allowed to use the spouse’s money? It says in the rules,

        “Spouses may not bring in any money with them when they move in/marry into the family. To prevent this, you may merge townies into families with one another prior to moving them in. A Sim who is not the last member of their household will not bring any money into the household. Alternatively, if a Sim does bring in money, use the money cheat to reduce the family’s new balance to whatever it was prior to the new sim moving in.”

        So when my spouse moved in with 20k, I subtracted that amount from the family’s funds.

          1. i am new to a lot of things, but could you tell me how to cheat out the money

      3. Wait, I’m confused. do we need to “cheat” out the spouses money or are we allowed to use it? Pinstar Legacy just said we are allowed that money, but that seems to contradict the rules above..

        1. Author

          The original version of the challenge allowed the money from the spouses to be kept and used. However, after some playtesting we found this to make the challenge far too easy. So to keep things interesting the rules were changed to no longer allow a spouse to bring in money. This can be done by merging the would-be spouse into a common household with other ‘not in this world’ sims. The only time a sim will bring in money is if they are the last member of their household.

        2. Author

          I realized I missed your question. You are allowed cheat down the funds if they accidentally bring it in.

      4. Lirttle confused, your earlier post on Sept. 4th, says they can use the money.??? :-)All moved-in townies now bring in 20k. It does not vary anymore. While I *wish* they had tuned it to bring in only 10k you are allowed to use that money.

  8. I may have missed this bit, when you move in or marry you automatically gain 20,000 simoleons from that spouse. How is that extra money handled? Is it like free money to use for your lot?

    1. Author

      You are free to use that extra money. This is why the challenge is so restrictive about how many spouses you can marry in. Without that rule, one could generate unlimited funds just by moving in tons of sims just for their move-in funds.

      1. This is the first time I’ve read anything about sims bringing money with them when they move in. I married a sim in-game, and when he moved in he didn’t bring ANY money with him because there were still two people in his old household.
        Will that matter if we can’t marry a sim living anywhere in the towns? And does that rule still apply if you have the game option activated that allows the game to randomly populate empty houses in towns?
        I’m asking because the sims that the game puts into empty houses are technically randomly chosen townies, and if you married one of them and they left others in their old household, they wouldn’t bring any money into the legacy family account, which would eliminate the problem of the extra $20,000 per person.

  9. I notice that when I start a new game and create my founder, any edit neighborhood functions are unavailable to me until (presumably) after I move said founder on to a lot. The only course of action seems to be moving her into a cheap lot, bulldozing the larger lot, and then having her move… is this the case?

      1. Oops! Should have remembered to watch the video before shooting off the question. Thank you!

  10. I also have a question. So according to the spouse rules above we can’t marry the spares before they leave the house? the reason I ask this is because thanks to EA there is no longer story progression. I was hoping to get spares married and pregnant before moving them out. Just to generate extended family. but by your rules we can’t do that. Only person to marry and produce children is the heir? and am I reading correctly that the heir cannot marry until after the founder dies?

    1. Author

      You can get your spare married, and then on the family merge screen, move the spare into the spouse’s house rather the spouse into the spare’s house. Since you aren’t moving anyone into the family, you aren’t restricted to who your spare marries. If you want them to hook up with Alexander Goth, go for it! Just make sure the Spare is the one leaving the family when they tie the knot.

      If you get your spare pregnant (or their female love interest pregnant) before you marry them out, they’ll start off with a brand new baby(ies) which will grow up due to story progression.

      That said, full on story progression would be nice, as I’d love to see cadet branches develop and grow. Perhaps in future EPs.

      1. yes! didn’t think of that…moving the spare in with the spouse. yes that’s what i’ll do. thanks.

        1. is there any other way to move out the other non-heirs? i have no idea how to move them out, its not like sims 3 call phone and move out and kick them out :s

  11. Ok, I feel really silly asking this question but its my very first time trying this challenge and I want to get all the rules right lol. There is one that I am not entirely clear on: Spouses

    “This Sim may not be from a family who lives in a house on the world map, nor may they be a hand-picked Sim from the gallery.”

    If the potential spouse can’t be from a house in the world map, and can’t be hand-picked from the Gallery…how exactly do I go about finding a spouse? Do I make one myself? Or is it that the Sim can’t be part of a FAMILY household and needs to be the only person in a household? Sorry lol.

    1. Author

      The game generates “Townies”. Completely random sims who show up on community lots but who don’t show up in neighborhood view. These are the sims your Legacy family can marry. The reason they are allowed over gallery/neighborhood sims is that you can’t hand-pick the traits of them… or even know what their traits are at first (you can discover them with some legwork).

      1. Thank you kindly for clearing that up! 🙂

      2. I think that’s an unnecessary restriction. I understand the intention, but the end result really does depend on how the player plays it out. I chose Dina Caliente for my founder as a spouse – not because of the traits but because she looked cute 🙂 (actually I didn’t even know she was a townie). I also plan to build relationships between the Townies and my family – at least in this first legacy. Yes, they aren’t random, but they are random enough for me as I haven’t looked up and memorized all their traits. Isn’t the randomness provided by the random trait generator enough anyway?

        I mean if you want to effectively prevent the player from moving in townies, why isn’t there a rule to wipe out all the townie houses at the very beginning (and optionally place the random “not in this world” sims in there?). Having to make a background check on all the prospective spouses doesn’t sound like too much fun.

      3. How do you no if they are a townie or if they are on the map?!

  12. Just a couple of questions for clarification; I may have missed the answers to these in the section above:

    1) Are spares not allowed to have children? (I like the idea of having the side-branch of the family that resumes ownership of the legacy after several generations)

    2) Is it correct that the current generation’s family head cannot adopt children without a living spouse?

    3) Does re-marrying/re-moving a divorced/moved-out sim count as another marriage/move-out? (I’m assuming yes, but just to clarify)

    4) For adopted children, if you change spouses while raising them – do you use the old spouse or new spouse for generating traits?

    Thanks for your time! Sims 4 is the first Sims game I’m going to try this, and it looks pretty fun :D, thanks for spending so much time on the ruleset for this!

    1. Author

      1. You have a finite number of spouses to bring in, but female spares could get themselves pregnant and have an in-house cadet branch. They cannot adopt, however, as that specifically requires an heir and their spouse. You could also have a male spare impregnate a non-household female and she’ll have the baby off-screen. The child can never join the family but you can have them marry the townie and join the townie’s household.
      2. That is correct, to make adoption a bit more balanced compared to natural born.
      3. You cannot move a moved-out sim back in at all, as once they are moved out they are considered a non-townie sim, so you can’t even use your spouse move-ins to bring them back.
      4. That’s a good question… I’d say whoever is the spouse at the point of each trait being generated. The idea is that the traits passing down is based on nurture, not nature (which is why the parents pass their traits to adopted children)

      1. Awesome! Thank you very much for the clarification!

  13. I just want to double check what I did was OK, I went out and found a random townie and had him impregnate my founder & then married them, but when the screen came up to move him in I found out he had been living with 2 other townies in a house. Is this acceptable still?

    1. Author

      Yep! Random townie sims can sometimes live with each other (even though they aren’t on the neighborhood screen). You should be all good.

  14. Ok this is my first time doing a legacy. I tried once before but I never finished it but I intend to this time. I saw in a previous comment “am I reading correctly that the heir cannot marry until after the founder dies?” I don’t see an answer to this. Would you please clarify?

    1. The heir can marry as soon as they become a young adult, you don’t have to wait until the previous heir or founder dies 🙂

      1. Thanks for that, I am also starting this for the first time and it looks like it will be fun.

  15. Hello!

    I have a question and I want to make sure i am not breaking any rules. I start out broke, and i am on my 50×50 lot, as far as living, i know i own that lot, but as far as everyday needs, do i have to stay on that lot?

    It was how the rules were worded so i want to make sure. As far as how i live does that matter in specifics, because if it’s about survival I’m all about it 🙂

    1. You can use community lots to help with your Sims needs. You don’t need to stay on your lot all the time 🙂

  16. Is there a list of Sims that live in the world map so that I can tell right away who are the ineligible bachelors/bachelorettes?

    1. Author

      Go to menu : Manage worlds

      On the world map click the Household Management button…it’s the third from the upper right.
      Doing this will bring up the manage households screen. Click on the unplayed households tab. Here you will see all the sims in your world who have not been played. Scroll down. Any household that is listed as “Currently Not in World” is fair game for bringing into your Legacy Household.

      1. I have a question about this… Is my sim allowed to marry/let someone into my household that is living in an other city? Like the guy that gonna marry my household lives in Oasis Springa and my household is in Willow Creak… Please answer ASAP, I’d appreciate it, thank you!

  17. Hey,

    Really looking forward to starting this challenge. I have one question about succession (i’m sure I missed the answer). At which point does the next heir take over, is it as they come of age or is it only when the parent dies?

  18. Quick question regarding the bloodline laws. What happens if we’ve chosen a strict matriarchy or patriarchy and there are no children of that particular gender?

    1. Author

      You can try your luck at the adoption agency unless you are also strict Traditional. Strict Matriarchy/Patriarchy are more hazardous laws to use for the danger they present to your family should the RNG screw you over with gender.

      1. In that case, could we change heir to the sim’s sibling?
        Scenario I’m thinking is strict patriachy. There are two brothers, eldest is heir. He produces three daughters. Could I then make the younger brother the heir, since the current heir has no heir-able offspring?

        1. From Pinstar at work:

          As long as their father is still alive and as long as the other rules in the succession law allow for it. The title of heir is only locked in when a child produces a valid heir of the next generation. Since the eldest brother has produced nothing but daughters, that condition has not been fulfilled. The other condition that ‘locks in’ the title of heir is the death of the previous generation heir, hence the need for their father to be alive.

          Depending on your succession law, you may need to do something to make the younger brother heir. If you are going with first born, for example, you’ll need to kill the eldest brother to get the title to the younger brother. If you are running something like Living Will, Strength or Merit, you’ll be able to shift the title without needing to murder anyone. The younger brother could re-use the elder brother’s spouse OR, using an up-coming rule change I’m announcing today, get a spare spouse of his own by marrying in someone who brings in $0.

          An alternative is, if the eldest brother’s wife is too old to keep making children, divorce her and bring in a younger spouse per the up-coming spouse rule change and keep trying, since an elder male sim can continue to father children.

  19. Sorry if I missed this or misunderstood… But in each generation, am I allowed to have more than one child, or am I only supposed to have one?

    P.s. I haven’t bought the game yet because I don’t have the money but I’m preparing to do this challenge 🙂

  20. It says you can only adopt toddlers, however there are no toddlers in this game. I haven’t tried adoption, but I’m not sure if a baby is an adoptable age or if it starts at child.

  21. So I wanna do a lesbian/gay/bi legacy but I also want the heirs to be biological, can I have my female sim get impregnated by a male sim w/out having that sim move-in and then have a female wife?

    1. Yes I would say that’s fine. You just can’t move the male Sim in. The founder/heir also needs to have her female spouse living in the house at the time of getting impregnated since having a spouse living in the house at the time of trying for baby/adoption is part of the rule.

      I’ll confirm this with Pinstar once he wakes up, but I would say that that is ok.

      1. Does the sim she makes the baby with have to be a townie as well? Or can other sims work as long as they aren’t pre-made sims?

      2. I had my sims’ wife-to-be move in as a roommate, do I have to marry her first before I can have a baby?

  22. What is your opinion on those lights that come as a reward for owning The Sims 3 and its expansion packs? Would these be banned because not everyone will have bought all of The Sims 3 games?

  23. The sim that we choose to move in. Can we change their aspiration?

  24. If i ‘m moving in a townie and discover they have children, am I allowed to move their children in too or is that considered against the rules?

    1. From Pinstar at work:

      I would rule that you can bring the child in, though that child could never be an heir regardless of your succession law.

  25. So, I decided to try out the legacy challenge for the first time however, my founder seems to have slipped in the bathroom and died! I have heard sims can die from laughter but I wasn’t focusing on her at the time so I’m not entirely sure what her cause of death was. She was just one sleep away from reaching level 9 in the programmer career!! Luckily she had time to get married and have two girls but this is where it gets nerve wrecking – her spouse was an adult when she married him and he became an elder before they had their second child and i have already used the youth potion on him! Can he marry in another sim (the 10th spouse exception?) or do I just have to hope the eldest girl make sit to young adult hood fast enough??

    Many thanks!

    1. Author

      Ouch! I’ve never heard of a slip and fall death in a bathroom before.

      If you engineer it so the spouse doesn’t bring in another round of 20k, I’d rule you can move in another ‘placeholder’ sim while your 2nd gen grows up. If your original spouse and the new spouse have any children, none of them would be eligible to be an heir regardless of your bloodline laws. Good luck!

      1. Thanks for the reply! Yeah, I really don’t know what happened, it has me nervous! Any suggestions on how to engineer that? I think i remember seeing an option to donate to a charity or should i buy more knight statues?

  26. Okay, this may sound a bit weird but is moving in spouses for every new generation strictly necessary? Are incestuous relationships restricted in Sims 4?

    1. Author

      I know there is a cheat that can delete a relationship. Thus you could delete the brother/sister relationship which would allow them to romance each other. Having a “Divine Blood” style Legacy would be interesting to say the least, but I see no reason why you wouldn’t be allowed to per the rules.

  27. So I was wondering, why must my Sim lifespan be set to Normal? I like setting mine to Long, just because it lengthens the challenge. I like long games. Would I be breaking the rules? (I know it’s probably a yes, but I had to ask. I don’t know the reason why we must be on normal.)

    1. Author

      When I come out with the point charts for many of the score categories, they will be balanced against a normal lifespan. Longer than normal lifespans give you more time to complete things. This is especially different for, say, hitting child aspirations before they turn into teens. So yes, turning your lifespans to long would be cheating, but if you don’t play for points then the point is moot 🙂

  28. How can my young adult daughter move out on the sims 4

    1. You’d move her via household management. Just move her into another household. Doesn’t matter which one if you don’t plan on playing her and just want to move her out.

  29. My founder just got married to a Sim who I found out has the Serial Romantic aspiration. Would I be allowed to change that since I can’t complete it and have him stay married to my founder?

    1. I guess that would be against Rule #2. (No restarting after bad events).
      Not completing an aspiration of a single member of the family doesn’t prevent you from reaching max scores, so I think you should just keep on playing.

  30. Just for the record, in my first attempt at this (before the rules were posted so I’ve since restarted), my founder died of old age while the heir was still a teenager. Social services hasn’t come for her yet. That game is on standby with her a few days from young adulthood, with a teen job and everything. I think you’ll be safe so long as you get your heir to teen years.

    1. So you think late teens are immune to social services? That would be great! Her first born is just a couple days into her teens so she may just make it before pops goes…well…pop.

  31. Hi sorry if this has been asked,

    Just a question, can my girl get pregnant to Don Lothario and then the child becomes the heir if she doesn’t marry him? Is that acceptable?

      1. How is that not cheating? The whole point of picking a townie was so that you couldn’t get a chance to see their traits beforehand. Since the child’s traits are influenced by the parents’, that would be an easy way to get better traits.. even if you are marrying a townie.

        1. Author

          The traits are based on the live-in spouses. Think of them as nurture rather than nature. Even adopted children get their traits from their mother and father despite no biological connection. Since you are not moving Don in, he does not factor into the trait calculator. Just leave the second parent blank on the trait calculator and the child’s traits will be selected with only the mother having a *possible* influence on them.

  32. I married a Sim who I thought was just a random Townie because I hadn’t looked at all the Sim Households yet, and when I went to move her in I found she was actually part of a house on the map.

    Luckily, I’m doing it for fun rather than strict points and stuff so I guess I can deal with it… I didn’t know her traits besides what my Sim learnt himself, and she had others in her house so she didn’t bring any money…

    The only thing I’m annoyed about is that I’m not getting any money, really. XD

    1. The exact same thing happened to me. First I was a bit annoyed as well, but now I’m actually thinking about marrying only residents of the town in this legacy. It would be fun to see how far my Sims can get using only the money they earn by the sweat of their brows.

  33. That’s why I was hoping I could change it, though, since it shouldn’t affect points. It will drive me nuts not to be able to work towards an aspiration.

    1. That’s true, but it would also be against rule 6 (You may not change a Sim’s current aspiration. The exception is when they fully complete an aspiration). So if you stick to the rules, you don’t change it.
      I can’t see why you wouldn’t be able to work towards that aspiration anyway. Yes, it would probably mean that your sim’s spouse has to date with other sims and even whoohoo with them – so what? I’ve actually chosen Serial Romantic aspiration for my founder – I think I’ll have a lot of fun playing it out.

      1. Novbert, I didn’t even think about that. It’s a good idea. Can a Sim have boyfriends/girlfriends while married?

  34. I just had my female sim ask a male sim who dosen’t live in either world…but he lived on his own and when I moved him in all his stuff was sold and was put into my female sim’s household funds. The amount is just over 20,000 simoliens, can I bring the amount back down to where it was or should I keep it or do I need to restart the challenge.

    1. Author

      There should be a familyfunds cheat floating around that you can use to correct your family’s wealth.

  35. It seems like there’s a lot of rules not listed here, aren’t there? In the actual text of the rules, there’s no mention of needing to use a bulldozed 50×50 lot or this thing about the knight.

  36. Are we allowed to redeem “lifetime points” for rewards? My sim completed her aspiration and she has all these points now and I’m not sure if I can redeem them.

  37. This probably has been asked a few times but I still couldn’t find an answer to it. Do we HAVE to move our baby daddies / mommies in? or can we just sort of get pregnant with the heir/spares and not have the other sim move in at all?

    1. They can just get pregnant if you have a female founder/heir. Spouses/baby daddies don’t need to be moved in.

  38. Maybe I missed it while reading, but am I allowed to age up the infants, right after they’re born?

    1. No, you need to wait until the game announces that it’s their birthday. We will be adding that to the rules soon 🙂

  39. What are you supposed to do with the rest of the children when they grow up? Just move out all that aren’t the heir?

    1. You can do whatever you want with the spares. You can keep them in the house to earn points if you have room or move them out.

  40. Is marriage strictly required? Also, wouldn’t it make sense, for each townie you move in, to buy another statue or something else? It’d let you keep track of how many spouses you’ve moved in.

    1. No, marriage is not required, but you can still only bring in one Sim per generation for the moment (unless the rules change). I’ll mention the statue thing to Pinstar when he gets home 🙂

      1. To expand on my question, would it be possible, to learn all the traits of a sim, and have a baby with them, without actually moving them in at all? This would obviously only apply to female sims, for the case of finding an heir. But more to the point, doing the challenge without moving any sims in at all. I understand you’d have to know all the traits of a potential mate, for randomizing children, which I feel like can be just as challenging, if not more than actually moving a sim in.

  41. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to forbid using of the household-management screen entirely? For my current legacy at least I plan to keep a self-imposed rule, that spares can only move out if they have somewhere else to go – i.e. if they reach a high enough relationship status with an outsider for the option to appear in the interaction menu. I think it could be a good idea – maybe for some additional points – to introduce this rule. From a roleplaying perspective I guess it would make sense for the legacy family not to just “throw out” spares without any money or a place to sleep at.

    Another thing: Current restrictions on what can/must be stored in the family inventory and what can be placed on the legacy family’s lot are only listed in the scoring rules. Maybe it would be a good idea to list them here (also), as which rewards can actually be used in game, and which are the ones that must not actually have important implications on how one plays the game. Could you extend this list of rules with that information?

    1. They shouldn’t forbid use of the household management screen because it’s the only surefire way to check to see if your potential townie spouse lives alone (for the purposes of getting $20K when they move in).

  42. I created my household and quickly got married. Then I realised that maybe I made a mistake because I married someone who belongs to a family which I created before (in that saved game this Sim is still a child).
    Is it okay or should I start it over?

  43. I have a question about the early days. Can my founder “sleep over” at the neighbour’s house? I have just started a legacy. I think I have followed all the rules, but the immediate advantage seems to be sleeping at the Pancake’s house. They have everything there; there is no mechanic, or moodlet for being a bad guest that I have found. I am able to cook, clean, sleep, skill, at will. No penalty. (I am wondering about the Goth’s house now. Mb they have better quality stuff)

    So is there a rule on squatting?


    1. Author

      It’s no different than hitting up the community lots and as long as you can’t take anything with you, I’d say it is fine.

  44. 6. You may not change a Sim’s current aspiration. The exception is when they fully complete an aspiration. When that happens, you may choose their new aspiration, as long as it is not one they’ve already completed.

    Hello! I can choose any desire or need to roll the dice?

  45. Can anyone answer my question please? When I achieve the aspiration, how can I choose the new aspiration? Can I choose it by myself or shoukd I roll the dice?

    1. “you may _choose_ their new aspiration” means that you are free to choose a new one.

  46. Can I age up townie sims with birthday cake? Spouse options are looking a little slim for moi…

  47. A question on rule #9 (not playing other families). This is bugging me a lot, because as I’ve read (here for example: ) members of the family who move out will basically do nothing in their lifetime at all, and eventually die. Wouldn’t it be possible to loosen up this rule a little bit, limiting moved-out spares interactions to “Try for a baby” with their spouse.
    I don’t want my spares to simply die without any children.

  48. With the recent rule update, point 3. should be updated as well (“You may not move or merge in other Sims into the Legacy Family with the sole exception of that generation’s outsider.”). Currently it contradicts the spouses section.

    1. I was going to post the same thing.

      And what about the “Alexander Goth” situation (” If you want them to hook up with Alexander Goth, go for it! Just make sure the Spare is the one leaving the family when they tie the knot. “) – can Alexander now marry a spare and move into the legacy family if he does not bring simoleans with him? Alexander is basically like a normal townie when it comes to traits and skills, since he starts the game a child.

        1. ImaginingMystic: Could you please correct Rule #3? It’s just a source of confusion in its current state.

  49. I just went to the gallery to download more possible spouses, and the traits are automatically posted up. If the main reason why we can’t use sims we make ourselves is because we can’t pick and choose the traits, we need a way to download sims that don’t show their traits. Otherwise, can we just create the sims ourselves and randomize the traits? Either way, people can cheat and pick spouses with different traits than the previous generations… so the scoring for the “love” category may not work.

    1. Yeah we’re going to probably have to change that rule around unfortunately. Because there aren’t enough randomly generated townies, so #LegacyLoves do need to be used. I suppose we could always put in an “Honor System” where we ask people not to look at the individual Sims and their traits. I know not everyone will do that, but really, the Legacy Challenge isn’t a competition. Some people may look, and yes, that will make their challenge easier, but that’s their choice. I personally want to keep it as challenging as possible.

      1. Why not just have a random generator for spouse traits? Its really hard to just turn a blind eye to traits that are in your face. I think putting in randomly rolled traits in CAS would be easier than trying not to look at them.

        1. Author

          You ARE allowed to discover traits via gameplay methods, such as “Get to Know”. Meeting a sim and learning their traits over time, and then picking your spouse based on one you like is perfectly legal.

          1. I have been going into household management and deleting elder sims before they die since the game keeps places for their ghosts. This has allowed my game to generate new townies. If it is considered cheating, I apologize, but it is the best way for the legacy to continue through 10 generations.

          2. Author

            Not at all. That is a creative way to get around the limitations and get a fresh supply of townies flowing.

  50. Never having done this before, and just getting my head around the rules, I noticed the No Cheats, mods etc rule, which is great, but in sims 4 I noticed a slight problem with the aspirations, some of which you cannot full-fill, the writer aspiration, and getting writers block, I got my sim to lvl 9 writing skill and lvl 9 writing career, and she never once got this, which then wouldn’t allow me to complete even lvl 1 of the aspiration, the same with the joke star aspiration the “own a microphone” I owned 50 and it still wouldn’t recognise it, and the tech guru, “stay focused for 2 hours whilst playing games on a computer didn’t register, the only way I found I could complete these levels was to use a cheat. How would we get round this in the legacy challenge ?

    1. Author

      The easiest way to get writer’s block is at the low levels. When you are in a mood OTHER than “Inspired” have your sim write for a long time. After about 3 hours they’ll get a +1 tense writer’s block. You then have to actively do something to get rid of it. The easiest way is to “Try to Calm Down” in a mirror if your sim is tense. Once you burn down the moodlet you’ll get credit for beating writer’s block.

      1. Thank you, for your help. I am really enjoying the challenge, making a few mistakes along the road, but hey don’t we all. I would like to say a big thank you for creating this challenge and for the hard work you put into it. 🙂

  51. For spouses, could I use Travis Scott then? Or does it have to be a townie?

  52. Just to clarify, do they start off with 1,500 to make a new house with? Basically homeless? Or do you buy the table before you move to the 50 x 50 lot and start out with 10,000?

  53. Pinstar, do you check the facebook page or forums much? I posted on both of them with no responses. Just wondering. What is the fastest method of getting a Pinstar approved response?

    1. I’m usually the one that responds on Facebook, but I never received the notifications that people had posted there. Sorry about that! I answered your questions this morning.

      As for the forums…yeah I need to remember to check those more often *facepalm*

  54. Is the mod that allows males to get pregnant allowed to be used?

    1. Author

      As long as everything else related to the pregnancy (higher mood decay, 3+day wait, need to try for baby) is the same as a female pregnancy, I don’t see why not.

  55. Hi, first of all I want to thank you for the detail rules and generator for the Legacy Challenge.
    I’m a player in Taiwan and there are quite a lot of Legacy Players here.
    I’ve done translation of the rules into Chinese for the players here in Taiwan.
    I do hope it is OK and I do tag your site.

    However, now I would like to know about the family fund cheat.
    I have never been able to make that cheat works.
    Is there any other ways, we can do to make sure that the spouses do not bring money into the legacy family?
    Thank you.

    1. Author

      Merge the townies into common households. When you move in or marry in a townie who is part of a larger household, they will not bring in any money. This holds true for any sim who is not the last of their household. That way you can get your townie spouses and not worry about the money cheat.

  56. I didn’t find anything in these rules that would forbid me to “visit” (not move to) my neighbours place and actually live there until I can afford a good house at my own place. Is this allowed? Even if it is allowed, what kind of rules would forbid such a workaround?

  57. Just a quick question. Are you allowed to move spare kid out with an older sibling. Im in the middle of getting the 10 kids in one generation point, but do i have to wait until the 4 oldest are moved out, or can i move some of the younger kids out when just one of them are an young adult?

  58. Hey I just wondered when you’re heir or founder gets married, do they have to keep their name for instance if I had a sim called Scarlet Redwood and she were to get married to Gordon Holmes, would she take Holmes or Redwood or does it not matter?

    1. Author

      It does not formally matter, and there is a bug where incoming spouses don’t take the new family name.

  59. Quick question, it seems like you can age up your infants at any time. Is there a rule of how long they should remain that age?

    1. You can age them up once the game tells you that it’s their birthday. There are two announcements, the first says it’s almost their birthday and the second says it’s their birthday and it’s time to throw a “rockin’ party”. Wait until the second announcement (though you don’t need to throw a “rockin'” party 😉 ).

  60. Okay so I think I might be confused. The rules say spouces are not allowed to bring any money with them but in some of the comments you talk About using the money the spouce brings. Which is correct? A good idea for the rules pages might be to put “current as of [insert date]”.

    I apologize if this has all been explained somewhere else, I’m new to The Sims, there challenges, and this page. Thanks in advance for your help.

    1. Author

      Any references to the money a spouse brings are outdated. The rule is firmly that spouses cannot bring in money. I’ll double check the rules to make sure I remove any other references to spouses bringing in money in my next rules update.

  61. Are there restrictions on who or how many family members can hold a job?

  62. Hi! I really want to do this! But can a sim have a job?

  63. Hi, I have a question about gameplay rules. Is using a mod that affects motive decay against the rules? Using this mod does not change anything about the starting situation (homeless, no money)

    Another question is about skills and careers. Do they have to be maxed out manually or can I use mods/cheats?

    What do you mean with you earn your fortune points by meeting household worth tresholds?


    1. Author

      Mods that impact mood decay and cheats that would give you more skills and career levels are both against the rules as it gives you a specific gameplay advantage over someone who would not use those.

      The fortune points (along with many other score sections) are not 100% complete. In time they will have a chart showing how many “Fortune” points you get for having certain thresholds of household wealth.

  64. With the rule change forbidding spouses from bringing in any money, does this make any current challenges where the spouse brought in 20k before the rule change invalid? My challenge is in its third generation and I’m playing for points so I’ve gone as strictly by the book as I can, working in all rule changes as they’re made, but I can’t go back and change that my two previous spouses brought in money.

    1. Author

      Anyone who was playing a legacy before the rule change is grandfathered in. Meaning that your challenge is NOT invalid and you do NOT have to restart. Just consider it a bonus and keep playing. 🙂

      1. Thanks so much for the timely reply! I’m relieved that I don’t need to start all over again. I remember you said on Twitter that any future rule changes wouldn’t ruin any challenges in progress but that rule change seemed like a really major one that really affected my challenge so I wanted to double check.

        That said, I did end up starting a new challenge with the new rules and I think I actually am enjoying the new rule more! Thanks for all your hard work on this challenge, the Legacy Challenge was what originally got me into the Simming community so it has a special place in my heart. 🙂

  65. I was all for the legacy challenge until I saw the “Life must be set to normal”.. I like to play my sim’s for a -long- time, let them gain aspirations and skills; have a fulfilling “life”.. shame.. but thanks for this.. one day I might give it a go anyway.

    (I will make note though that it says modifications/hacks are not allowed in game as it makes it unfair and balanced.. so why does the lifespan matter when -anyone- can chose whether to click it or not? it just makes it longer and more difficult.)

    1. Author

      The Legacy Challenge is meant to be played for fun. The rules that I set out are there as a way to encourage you to have fun. That being said, some people have a very different play style so if a long lifespan suits you, go for it! You wouldn’t be the first person to fudge or otherwise cherry pick the rules they follow. I’d rather you have fun with a modified set of rules than miss out on the challenge entirely 🙂

  66. Is there a rule against changing the way your spouse looks in CAS? For example the townie my heir is marrying has brown hair and blue eyes and I want him to have black hair and green eyes.

    1. You can change their appearance using the “Change appearance” option when using a mirror, but that is it. You can’t do a full CAS edit of the Sim. Hope that helps!

  67. Hi!
    I want to use the money cheat code to remove de simeleons (20K) my new spouse has bring after he moved in, but I don’t know how. I’m doing ctrl+shift+C then I write in the box : money and the amount I want, but nothing happens.

    Help me, please!

    Have a great day!

  68. One of the big frustrations with the CORE game is how townies and neighbors age up and die without seemingly ever having CHILDREN!

    Before attempting this challenge, I would force a marriage between two random townies every time I got married; I’d also “seed” 1-2 children into a random family every time one of my own children aged up from being a baby.

    (This random trait generator is going to be wonderful, I can finally stop using my D&D dice =PP)

    It seems the concept of seeding pre-generated children of my own could be against the rules because in theory, even though the traits are randomized, I also know what they are, being their creator.

    I just wonder if there are other work-arounds for what ends up being a bunch of old geezers walking around. Are #LegacyLoves just individual Young Adults?

    1. Author

      #LegacyLoves have many familes that include teenagers and children. These are useful for both younger friends and sims who take awhile to mature.

  69. Was there a rule about ONLY playing as the Founder/Heir, or do the original rules allow for playing any Sim in the active household? I feel like I read this somewhere, but I may just be making it up in my head.

      1. The only time you CAN’T play a spare is when they move out of the house. You can only play Sims that live in the Legacy house, not ones outside of the house.

        1. Okay, I must have made that up in my head then. I feel 10x better about doing this, now. ;D

  70. I had a little question about a particular mod, since it technically edits the game, but it’ll be used “cosmetically”, if that makes sense? xD
    Basically, there’s the “Babies for Everyone” mod that allows same-sex couples to successfully Try for Baby (as well as Elders, but I will make sure not to make use of that part), which is something I was interested in, seeing as my Sims do surprisingly often end up with a counterpart of their same gender. This would then mean they would have to adopt to continue the Challenge, but what intruiges me about a Legacy Challenge in particular is the passing on of the genes throughout the generations, and that chain will obviously be broken as soon as adoption comes into play, which is why I would like to use that mod instead. Would that be considered cheating? 🙂

    1. Yes, that is allowed. We ruled similarly in the Sims 3 Legacy Challenge for a mod that did about the same thing. I’m going to be making a running list soon, hopefully tomorrow, of all of the mods that are acceptable in the Legacy Challenge. It will be updated as we get more and more mods that we rule to be legal for the challenge.

  71. When my sim get married, my husband can get a job? Or only the heir can work in the household?

  72. So I’ve heard a lot about the legacy challenge as I’ve been playing The Sims since the original came out. I do have some questions about one of the rules though. Why are we not allowed to bring money into the family through marriage? It’s part of the base game play. Has been since the games inception. I can understand wanting to create a game play challenge, but this rule seems a little absurd considering it’s a naturally occurring game play rule of every base game since the original. EA/Maxis intended us to either marry or friend/roommate someone and have them move in, with all their possessions. It’s part of each sims story progression. Whether it’s an NPC character, or player created sim.

    The rest of the rules can stay because they’re playable scenarios, but leave the natural storyline progression alone?

    1. Author

      The rule is in response to the fact that spouses now bring in 20,000 every single time. Testing found this made the challenge far too easy. A complaint that has been heard in earlier incarnations of the Legacy Challenge is that the challenge becomes far too easy very quickly (and thus boring) by the 2nd or third generation. Thus this rule change was made.

  73. I apologize if any of this comes off as silly because I have been reading through the comments and there seem to be conflicts between the comments and the rules section. Is it safe to say that the rules page has been changed since the game came out and some of the rule comments are no longer valid because the rule was changed?

    Are all Sims now candidates for spouses as long as they don’t bring in money and if they do you need to remove it from your Sims funds?

    1. Author

      Yes, there have been updates. And yes, you can now move in any number of spouses as long as they bring in no money.

      1. It wasn’t the number of spouses I was confused about. I wasn’t sure if we were now allowed to say, marry a Goth or family already in town or if that was still considered cheating.

        Just as a reference cause I don’t know all the cheats and I haven’t been able to find this one. How would we cheat out the money if we mess up or if someone could just link me to an accurate cheat list for the future it would be greatly appreciated.

        1. Yes you can marry a Goth family member or any other non-townie provided they don’t bring in money.

          1. Thought the “no moving in townie rule”was also due to the fact that their traits and aspirations are known…

          2. Thank you, and Poiint taken TheDude. But that would only be in you research the known characters and all that. I really just play the game so I learned hers personally the hard way. But I see where that could be an advantage.

          3. *phew* at least now I know I don’t have to start over (I married Cassandra Goth)

  74. Question: This Primary spouse business seems a bit confusing combined with the moving in changes. This spouse does not have to bring in the next generation, that’s clear. In that case, another spouse can be gained to carry that burden. Where the confusion lies is in the order and magnitude of these events: Can I have a primary spouse and many other spouses all at once? Can I move in, say 6 sims in, claim them as my “spouses” and utilize them as I please?

    1. Author

      The only reason we have to designate a “Primary Spouse” is for the purposes of the Love and Creativity points categories, which would become extremely easy and difficult respectively if you had to include all spouses. And Yes, you could in theory move in a harem of spouses, have only one bring in the next generation abut reap the benefits from them all. As long as none of them bring any money with them, it’s legit.

  75. You should add another category to this it the Morality rules. Just like in real life people usually fall into 1 of 3 categories: Liberal, Conservative or Moderate. Not relating to politics in any way but these 3 represents the total Moral compass of your legacy family.

    For example: The morality of your legacy family may influence things like how much clothing (or lack there of) your sims family wears. It could determine the types of activities your sims might get involved in as well. Just an idea.

  76. Forgive me if I somehow missed it, but are we allowed to age-up a townie with a cake , ie: Cassandra Goth, into adult if we know it is their birthday?

  77. I looked through all the questions, but I don’t think I saw this particular one. Forgive me if it’s already been asked:

    On rule 4: “The Legacy Family must remain on the same lot for the duration of the challenge. They are free (and encouraged) to develop their house but they may not move into a new house. Rooms may be imported into the house from the exchange as long as the family pays full price for the construction and items contained within.”

    Does that mean we can’t knock down anything the family has already built and put a pre-made house on the lot, once we get enough money? In TS2 and TS3 you couldn’t plop down a new house with a family already on the lot, but in TS4 that’s a doable thing. Does it fit within the rules?

    1. Author

      You may build a pre made house on the lot as long as it doesn’t contain any career reward objects.

      1. Hi, How are you? I’m still trying to wrap my head around most of the rules. So i have a few questions, unfortunately.

        1. Which Sims can work to bring in an income? Is it just the founder (and/or) heir and the spouse but no spares can work?

        2. If I see a home in the gallery I can afford and would like to place it on my 50×50 lot can I do that. (I’m pretty rubbish at building).

        Thats all the questions i can think of although I had plenty more. lol

        1. 1. Founder, Heir, Spouses, & Spares can all work providing they all still live in the Legacy house.
          2. Yes

  78. If a spouse move into the family and bring money with them. Which cheat will make the money go back to as it was before?

    1. Author

      The testing cheats enabled money cheat is allowed to be used to dial back down the funds.

  79. Can I age up a baby early or do I have to wait for the game to force an age up?

  80. My second generation is preggy, and my founder’s boyfriend (they never married) but he lived in the founder’s house is dead and I know we cannot bring them back from the dead is in the rules, but now with the addition of ghosts, you can ask the ghost to move in and you can “play” the ghosts, work on inspirations, get a job etc. Is this allowed? I am guessing probably not, but thought I would double check.

    1. Author

      I’m testing out ghosts and will make a ruling. My current inclination is “no” to inviting them in, but yes to interacting them when they randomly wander from their graves.

      1. Might I suggest a way of doing this? Only original founders may be invited to live in the house as a ghost but they must quit their jobs. Story telling wise this could have its advantages to keep the story in their perspective for 10 generations.

  81. What’s the cheat for subtracting household funds? I only know “kaching”, “rosebud”, and “motherlode”, which all add money.

    1. sims.modify_funds [+ or – amount]
      ex: sims.modify_funds -20000

  82. Hi, first legacy attempt, I have a few questions:

    1. If a spare marries and brings this spouse into the legacy house, are both the spare and his/her spouse able to add to the legacies points and scoring?

    2. If the spare and spares spouse have a child, can that child’s achievements be used towards the legacy’s scoring?

    3. Can you use ‘fulledit cas mode’ to add tattoos? Otherwise there currently is no other way to add tattoo to existing sims.

    Really enjoying all the rules and challenges. It’s such a cool way to play TS 🙂

  83. Once you know your heir for sure and both parents are still alive (will do elders soon and I don’t plan on having anymore kids), do you have to wait for all other siblings to age up to young adults before moving them out? Or could I move them?

  84. My sim just just gut rich and i can’t find the cheat to get the old amount of money back ( her boyfriend moved in)

  85. I know we can have as many spouses as we want but does that also mean that non-heir spouses are allowed to be move in in order to use their jobs for income?

      1. Hey this isn’t really legacy related but I know my main Founder and his spouse aged up on the same day but after a week or so (sim-time) now he will age up to an elder in 8 days and she won’t become an elder for 14… Can anyone imagine why she is aging so much slower?

        1. Actually I’ve realized there was a glitch and for some reason my spouse is no longer aging…. I don’t know what happened or how to fix it but since they were the same age I guess I will just force her to age up when he ages up.

          1. I actually had the same issue, my primary spouse was almost dead and the legacy founder was stuck at 18 days to become an elder for a while. I went to the game options and more sure everyone was set to age up normally and then I saved and exited my game and reentered. After that point the legacy founder was aging normally.

        2. There are a few factors that determine how fast or slow a Sim ages. One of which is dependent on how active they were in their lifetime, another is how healthy they ate (I think), there are others, but I’m not sure of them.

          1. Okay. Thanks, but now I have th problem of my sim is not aging. I knew we were allowed one life potion so I had her drink it hoping it might somehow reset her aging but it’s still frozen. I know I can force her aging with a cake but can you for death?

  86. Just one question! Is the spouse allowed to work aswell?

      1. okay thanks! 😀 another question. As you said that for same gendered pairs it would be only adption but would it be okay to use a same gender pregnancy mod?

  87. Hello! I was thinking of starting this. I’ve never done a legacy before.

    A question: Can we still change/modify community lots? Say for example wedding ceremonies, parties, etc.? Given that there will be no direct benefit to my family other than nice screenshot aesthetics?

    1. Author

      Yes you may alter community lots to fit your needs, including downloading ones off the gallery and even changing their types.

  88. This may have already been asked or put somewhere in the rules, but I can’t seem to find it. Are there any rules on bringing back sims as ghosts in the challenge? If we can, is there any restrictions on what they can do?

  89. I can’t believe I never tried this. And I’ve been playing since sims 1.
    So one question: if I take a futur spouse #legacyloves from the gallery , how I do that?
    A) Merge with the house from the gallery
    B) put her/him in the neighborhood
    C) something else?

    1. Author

      Download them, but then cancel the move in. This will leave them in the neighborhood but in the same “Not in this world” status as normally generated random townies.

  90. Dont know if this has been asked and seems a bit silly but!
    With the children and the heir… is the heir/founder etc the only sim you are allowed to control?
    If you have like 4 kids do you kick out the other 3 as soon as possible and only keep the heir in?

  91. Hi, I read all the commentaries and did not see my question! So here I ask:

    -I really hate ugly sims, can I edit townies/members of the family/Spouses with testingcheats true / cas.fulleditmode as long as I don’t change the traits or the aspirations?

    I really want to make this challenge without cheating! 🙂


  92. I have never played a legacy challenge before. My founder married and the day after the wedding the spouse turned into an elder.

    Can I have my sim remarry after the death of her spouse or possibly have children with someone else while still married?

    Will these children still be eligible for heir for the next generation?

    Can I have the NEW spouse move in?

    1. If your founder is female and the spouse is male, they can still have kids. It’s only if the spouse is female that that wouldn’t work because Elder female Sims can’t get pregnant.

      Your founder can definitely have children with someone else and those kids will still count because they are directly related to your founder. You just can’t have that new Sim father move in until the old Sim passes away. Also, did your first spouse bring in any money? If so you can’t move in any new spouses, if he didn’t then you can move in a new Sim as soon as he passes away.

      1. Thank you so much for responding so quickly. My first spouse did however bring in 20K, but I deducted the funds because the rules state that you can not keep any funds a spouse my bring in. I will just have to wait until the primary spouse dies to move in a second spouse?

        1. Since you cheated the money out, then you can move in another Sim! It’s only if you had used it that you wouldn’t have been able to.

  93. “The first spouse brought into the house each generation (once that generation’s heir reaches young adulthood) is known as the “Primary Spouse” The distinction of “Primary Spouse” does NOT mean the spouse HAS to be the sim who helps bring about the next generation. The “Primary Spouse” distinction is important for two scoring categories.”

    Im confused as to what this means…??? Please Explain.

    1. This just means that the first Sim your founder/heir marries is considered the “Primary Spouse” and the only spouse capable of earning points for that generation. You can still move in other spouses if the Primary Spouse passes away, but they cannot earn points for that generation.

      Hope that helps to clear things up. If not, let me know.

  94. Hello and a big thanks for the challenge! 🙂 Sadly, the Party Animal aspiration is currently bugged (for some people, completed parties don’t count towards the goal (proof here: And I’m among the ones who have this glitch 🙁 So my question is, what should I do if any of my Sims gets this aspiration? Should I keep track of the completed parties myself and then use a cheat to go one step higher in the aspiration progress, or can I change the aspiration (with some randomizer, perhaps?), or do something else? Thank you very much for the answer.

    1. Yes, in the case of a bug, using a cheat is perfectly acceptable to get the point. Just make sure you keep track of everything to avoid earning the point before you would if the bug weren’t in the game.

  95. The rules state that the challenge ends once an eligible heir is born, but I was curious. In an attempt to save the last family point for the final generation by choosing a “Last Born Patriarchy” Any born male would technically be the heir but because it is a last born son could this cause the challenge to continue the ninth generation heir and spouse can no longer have kids? Or is the rule when any child is born in the tenth generation and not and Heir (conversely I understand they could just adopt nine kids and then have a child but I don’t like adopting.)

    1. Author

      In your case, the moment any child is born, the challenge is done. If you are doing a strict patriarchy, it ends the moment the first male child is born. While the “Last Born” succession law does favor younger children, technically the first child born is also the last if they don’t have any siblings yet.

  96. So.. started this today. i’ve been playing since the game came out and i think i’m on my 8th generation but i didnt follow any of the rules so i started over and i’m excited to try this.
    I had a sim move in and he brought 20,000 and the money cheat wont work. i’ve tried it so many ways and it wont reset to the origingal 1,459 🙁 help?

    1. Author

      The Sims VIP’s site has the most comprehensive guide to the more advanced cheats, including the money cheat. That should help you get the money cheat working.

      1. The money cheat didn’t work for me either and I keep having to look it up, so here it is for anyone else that the money cheat doesn’t work for
        then you do -20000 or whatever amount the other sim brought in

  97. No one has mentioned this but can you auto level a baby to a child? If the child lasts until 3 years old one of the parents will lose their job because they can only miss one day of work each. By the 3rd day one of your adults is starting over. Can someone explain please.

    1. You can have both parents go to work. The baby will automatically be sent to daycare! I didn’t realize that at first either!

  98. When they say i can not bring a sim back from the dead does that include the book of life?

  99. I am playing the challenge without the 20K marriage with my Matriarchs first husband and even though we have only the one heir apparent, we have a two story house and nice furniture. I HIGHLY recommend making your first character a writer/author since they make oodles of simoleons, like 4K a day at the high levels, and that is not counting promotions and bonuses.

  100. Can you move in a spouses siblings/parents/children/roommates.. ect?

    Also, I think it would be a good idea to list the “money cheat”.. I never used this before, I supposed I could just google it :p but it’d be a little more convenient if it was listed here.

  101. Since the founder doesn’t necessarily have to marry to make the next heir, wouldn’t it be more proper to call the spouse a mate instead?
    For example, the founder has a mate not living in the house with her, and that mate is the heir’s parent.

    1. Author

      Very good point. the use of the term spouse is more of an artifact title from previous incarnations of the Legacy Challenge.

  102. My founder is married with twin baby girls, but I want to add some drama to my game, so am I allowed to have my founder cheat on her fiancee and have a mystery baby daddy storyline?

  103. Is there a rule that you can only bring in one sim to the household per generation? Also, I’ve been playing since the first Sims came out, I wish I had found this challenge earlier! I almost always play without cheats on one lot for several generations. The score sheet is pretty cool!

    1. That used to be a rule, but it’s not anymore. The only time that rule applies is if the spouse you bring in also brings in $20,000.

  104. Question about Spouses: “You may have spares get married if you so desire and create ‘cadet branches’ within the household. The first spouse brought into the house each generation (once that generation’s heir reaches young adulthood) is known as the “Primary Spouse” The distinction of “Primary Spouse” does NOT mean the spouse HAS to be the sim who helps bring about the next generation. The “Primary Spouse” distinction is important for two scoring categories.”

    My current (teen) heir apparent and her (young adult) cousin are living with their moms and due to unplanned events and whims the cousin has just proposed to his girlfriend. Although they are technically the same generation, does his spouse still take the Primary role as far as counting new traits and being memorialized? So would I memorialize the female cousin and the spouse of the male cousin?

    1. Author

      I’d say you can count them as the next generation since they won’t be reproducing until young adulthood anyway.

  105. I have a question about primary spouses.

    My heir had her boyfriend move in. He proposed shortly thereafter and she said no (ouch!). I had him immediately propose again to see what would happen…and well, he died of embarrassment. He was in the Legacy Household a total of, like, 2 SimHours.

    Now my heir has met, fallen in love with, and married another man (the dead boyfriend’s roommate…but we won’t get into that).

    The rules say the first Sim to move in once the heir ages up to YA is the primary spouse…so is the dead boyfriend her primary spouse?

    1. Author

      Yep, but you use the new boyfriend to determine the child’s traits once they start having children.

  106. So I got the worst possible (to me anyway) heir. I rolled for my two candidates’ traits and aspirations, as well as who would be heir by using a random number generator. The heir I ended up getting is mean, a slob, and non-commital (no idea where those traits came from, completely random!) Not only that, but she has the same aspiration of my founder. >.<

    I'm gonna be frank, I don't want her as heir, buuut my inheritance law is random. Would it be breaking any rules to say, "let" my heir die in a house fire so the spare becomes heir? If not that, have another kid to get a better chance at anyone but her? I feel like it might be breaking the 2nd rule, "No restarting after bad events."

    Thanks in advance!

    1. Author

      There is nothing in the rules saying you cannot kill off an unwanted heir. It’s an allowable gambit for a reason 🙂

      1. 😀 That’s awesome. You just made me sooo happy.

  107. I am playing a challenge right now and wondering if I can age up my baby to a child? I know that we can only use anti-aging once but the rules never mention anything about aging up. I know that it does mention that we have to set our lifespans to “Normal” so I was wondering if aging a sim up would break that rule? Thanks for your help! 😀

  108. Would it be allowed to move in somebody from the not living sims into some of the empty houses?

  109. Ok, so it says that you cannot adopt while there is another infant in the house but can you have more than one naturally born infant at the one time?

    1. Author

      Correct. This is because you have a ~3 day waiting period for natural pregnancy, so the chance of multiples balances that out a little bit.

  110. Hiya again,
    With bringing in spouses from #LegacyLoves, is it okay if I edit the sim I have chosen slightly if it has custom content because I tried to add a sim to my world but because she had custom content she was bald and wearing a dressing gown for everyday.


  111. Hey,

    I have a family where the spouse’s aspiration is to be a public enemy. One level of this involves being despised by two neighbours. However, I’m playing on the 50×50 lot in Oasis Springs and the only nearby house has no-one in it. Would it be cheating for me to move the Landgraab family into that house? I’m assuming the lack of story progression means no-one will move in naturally and there’s no other way I can think of to complete this aspiration. Would you say that constitutes cheating or is it okay?

    Thanks for making such an amazing challenge 🙂

    1. If no one is moving in automatically, then I would say that moving in a family into that house is fine.

  112. I have a question about spares. One of my children has become an adult and I’m thinking about moving him out.. but I was going to complete an aspiration and max out one or two of his skills first so I can get some points. Will I be able to do that?

    1. Author

      Absolutely! Spares can earn you Legacy Challenge points. In fact, some of the categories need to have spares contributing if you want to get some of the higher scores for them.

  113. I am not sure where this question fits but I’m afraid my Legacy family is going to get messed up.

    My Founder and her husband were both young adults at the same number of days when I moved him into the house. My Founder had one child and became 4 days younger than her husband. Then she had a second child and is now 6 days younger. I am doing a First born Matriarchy so if I don’t have any females I can still use a male child as an heir, But…
    my female sim doesn’t age when pregnant and both of her children are boys, so far.

    The way this is going, her husband could die of old age before she has any girls. I know in the rules we can use 1 youth potion per sim, but it seems kind of invalid if their ages will keep distorting every time they get pregnant. What if it happens every generation?

    Is there some work around for this? =/

    1. Author

      This seems to be a gameplay aspect built into the game: Pregnant sims don’t age while preggers. This is not a bug. The youth potion rule still applies and getting pregnant doesn’t count against the limit.

  114. This is my first legacy challenge and I have a couple of questions so far:

    1. Is our founder (the sims we started the challenge with) and their primary spouse considered the first generation, or is their child the first generation?

    2. How can we find our household worth?

    Thanks for doing all this – it’s amazing!

    1. I’m going to be updating our FAQ again soon as we’ve been getting this question a lot, but yes the founder and their spouse are considered generation one 🙂 Their children are generation two.

      To find out household worth go into build/buy mode then click the little icon that looks like a house with an i on it. That will show you the worth of the household and won’t factor in any money that the Sims have in current spending money (which is what you want).

  115. Hi !

    I haven’t seen my question, so there it is :
    Are ghosts allowed to earn money with their skills ? (painting, writing books, selling the products of fishing/gardening…)

    Thank you very much, I love this challenge and I only play with my Legacy Challenge family (’cause I love them so much !)

  116. My heir rolled the same Aspiration as her father. Do I roll again for a different aspiration or just have her do Nerd Brain again?

    1. Do Nerd Brain again. It’s all luck of the draw with the generator. If you happen to complete that one, you can have your heir do another afterwards.

  117. Thanks for the quick reply! It will be interesting to watch an insane sim be a Nerd Brain

  118. Are we allowed to use the rewards potions? The Insta-Lean for example?

  119. I understand, of course, that aging must by one for your Legacy Household, but can we turn aging off for Townies and other “in-World” households. I was thinking that might be a good way to avoid some of the problems associated with Worlds silting up with homeless ghosts and other deficiencies in the way the game handles Townies.

      1. Thanks for getting back to me so fast. I think I actually already gathered that from scrolling all up and down your comment threads after posing the question, but I appreciate the official ruling. I’ll try not to pepper you with too many previously answered questions in the future.

        In fact, don’t even bother to reply if the following assumption is true, but I don’t think I’ve seen an answer to this question:

        While it would be desirable to change one of my Founding Father’s traits, and assuming there even is an in-game (as in without cheats or mods) way to change a Sims traits, I’m playing under the assumption that we cannot change the traits of our heads-of-household, spouses or any offspring who might potentially emerge as the rightful heir, that part of the idea of the LC is to just play the hand your dealt.

        Thanks again!

        1. I’m not sure if there is an in-game way to change the traits without using a cheat, however, you can’t change the traits of your founder or any heirs/spouses/spares that live in the house since traits contribute to points. You can change physical appearance and what-not, but not traits.

  120. Are you allowed to use the Rewards Store stuff like the ones where you don’t need as much sleep, don’t need to eat as much, etc?

  121. I was just reading through the comments and saw where you said we can’t create our own ideal spouses. I guess I missed that when I was reading these gameplay rules, but I’m on my 3rd gen now and I created 2 of the 3 spouses for my heirs. I made them in CAS, then put them in the gallery with #LegacyLoves, then brought them into my game from the gallery. Is this considered cheating? Do I need to start over?

    1. Honestly, I wouldn’t worry about it too much. It was a mistake and we certainly aren’t going to make you start over for that! I would say from now on just use Legacy Loves created by other people. The reason for this rule is so that you can’t pick and choose the traits you get since that will make the “Love” category too easy.

      1. Question about spouses. I don’t currently have internet on my desktop pc where I play my Sims, therefore I can’t access the LegacyLoves made by other ppl. Would it work to create my own and somehow randomize traits and aspirations?

        1. Author

          I’d say so, or just have a family member spit out a bunch of random sims. The main reason for the rule is so that you can’t hand-craft trait-perfect spouses, but if you’re just hitting random then you should be good.

  122. Would using a voodoo doll to resurrect a recently dead Sim be considered cheating or a form of pleading?

  123. My child sim (heir) completed her Aspiration. I’ve never had this happen before and now I am being asked to pick a new one. She is soon to become a teen and my question is; When I put information into the random generator, do I use the original childhood Aspiration or the new one which she has done little or no work on?

    1. Author

      The calculator never cares about aspirations. So what their previous one was or what their parents were, doesn’t matter. You only put in her parents traits and what her childhood trait.

  124. “The distinction of “Primary Spouse” does NOT mean the spouse HAS to be the sim who helps bring about the next generation. ”

    My young adult sim married an adult sim who turns into an elder in 2 days! I had her get pregnant successfully right away but what happens to her children? Are they locked in because their father is an elder? or can she remarry ……..or have children by another sim who can also be eligible for heirs? I’m doing strict traditional, equality and exemplar : geek trait Is she stuck with this one chance of eligible children?

    1. Your Sim can marry again and any of her children can be the heirs. The primary spouse distinction is just to classify which spouse gets points for the family. And that is the primary spouse. Her second spouse would not (in other words if her new spouses maxes his aspiration you can’t use that for points). Keep in mind that elder males can still impregnate females, so he won’t be completely useless once he becomes elder. Also, depending on his aspiration, you might be able to complete it before he dies as well.

  125. ” … elder males can still impregnate females, so he won’t be COMPLETELY useless once he becomes elder … ”

    Gee, thanks, pal! Ba hahaha ha ha!

  126. Can you use the birthday cake to age up townies?

  127. Hey Pinstar and ImaginingMystic, just a few quick questions regarding the new patch (my apologies if this was updated somewhere and I missed it).

    1. Can our Sims take the paid vacation time that was added to the game?
    2. I’m guessing the moveobjects on cheat is a-okay to use since it’s always been allowed in previous Sims games’ legacy challenges?
    3. Are Athletic and Business careers now added to the Nature category to earn that point? In other words, if we’ve patched our games and now have the Business and Athletic careers, do we need to complete those careers in addition to every other career in order to earn the one point for completing the careers collection?

      1. Thanks ImaginingMystic! Sorry to post questions that you’ve already answered. I try to scroll through comments and reread sections for updates but there’s a lot to go through and I miss things sometimes.

        1. Oh no worries! I posted the answers later yesterday morning so they probably were up when you had asked your questions!

          At some point I really need to update the FAQ page… lol.

  128. Can someone help me with this. I recently had to update my origin account and after the update
    Origin erased my downloaded game of sims 4. I tried to download sims
    4 again and now I get an error message saying that I already used the product
    code. Of course it has already been used, I used it to download it
    Initially. I’m just so frustrated, I need to know is this an origin problem
    our should I just buy the game again. That isn’t fair at all.

    1. I would say ignore the traits as best you can. We can’t prevent people from looking, but having the #LegacyLoves is helpful to find available spouses.

  129. Youth Potion: Per Challenge rules the Youth Potion cannot be used.
    Can there be an exception of unusual circumstances?
    Here is my situation:
    Second Gen Twins Female/Male
    The Female (2nd Gen Heiress) now is four days younger than her brother.
    Pregnancy and the baby stage in particular somehow freezes the Mother’s age until the baby ages to a child.
    Both Twins are on the brink of becoming Elders.
    I want to use the Youth Potion at this point (Male Sim Elder Birthday) on her brother so in four days when it is her birthday I can age them together.

    1. Author

      The Legacy Challenge allows the use of one youth potion per sim, so that’s fine. It is the Wonderchild challenge that strictly forbids the use of the youth potion.

  130. Hey, so I just had a question… I started the challenge recently. Both of my original children have become young adults now. Do I move the whole family out when my desired heir gets married or do I keep the family in the household until the parents die? Should I move out she spares right away or does it matter? I couldn’t find this information in your guide anywhere. Thank you.

    1. Author

      This is all up to you. Once you have your next gen heir as a young adult, you are free to move the parents out if you desire. Granted, you can’t use them to earn more points once they are out of the house, and you can’t move them back in if you later change your mind. The same applies to spares: You can keep them in until they grow old and die or you can move them out to make room. Up to you!

  131. About the ghosts, i have a living sim who I’ve decided to dedicate towards the upgrading things (for scoring) and my ghost in the family has been doing a lot of repairing (not ghostly repair) so he has a LOT of parts, would i be able to give these parts to the living sim so he can use them to upgrade or would that count as ghosts helping with the scoring??

  132. Hey, I have a silly question. My spare still living in the house got pregnant with townie Sim (I didn’t move him in). Unfortunately, she gave birth to one too many children and now I don’t have place for heir’s children. Can I move her out but keep the children (I want to use them in case the heir’s daughter dies before she becomes heir and I don’t manage to get a spare)? If yes, whose traits should I use in the generator – biological parents’ or heir’s and her spouse’s, as they will be raising them?
    Thank you for all the awesome work.

  133. While playing the lagacy family, once the next matriarch reaches young adult age, does everyone else have to move out like the parents and siblings, or can they all die out still in the same household?

      1. Oh, thank you 😀
        It’ll make my live much easier!

  134. Does use of a Death Flower count as the “one approved life-extension” or is it forbidden as bringing back the dead? I’m hoping to slightly extend the life of my elder while he reaches the top of his career, but I don’t want to reset him all the way back to the start of the life stage. Thanks for your help!

  135. Can the founder go to other sim’s houses and eat, sleep and do other stuff there?

  136. ,,You can even add your own entries! Simply make one or more sims in CAS, then upload them to the gallery wiht the #LegacyLoves tag. Please do not upload pre-played sims to that hashtag as it remembers their skills. Please don’t write what the Sims’s traits are in the description. I don’t want people to be able to pick and choose what traits their spouses have.”

    I can see in traits and aspiration of #LegacyLoves sims in the gallery (in second picture). What to do now? 🙂

    1. At this point we’re just going to hold everyone to the “honor system”. If you say you won’t look at them, we trust you 🙂 There’s really no way to monitor it beyond that.

  137. “When playing a Legacy Challenge, your legacy family is the ONLY family you may play in that saved game. You MAY move in new families into the neighborhood during your challenge (keeping in mind that they can be used for friends, but not spouses) but you may not play them.”

    So does this mean that I can’t have any other families in my whole game? I was planning on doing the Wonder Child Challenge as well but if this rule applies to my Legacy Challenge family then can I still add a Wonder Child family to the neighborhood?



    1. They can’t be on the same save file as the Legacy family, no, because if you were to switch to the Wonder Child Challenge the Legacy family would continue to age and progress without your interactions. You will need to make a new game to play the Wonder Child Challenge. When you first start the game click the “+” symbol at the bottom to create a new game.Create your new Sims, name them, something other than what you named your Legacy and then start the game. When you save it name it something else that you create a different save file for it.

  138. I think I may have inadvertently broken a major rule…. I had thought that you could marry the spares and bring the spares spouses into the legacy house so you could have cadets branches for a more interesting story.

    I have done this with every generation so far.

    1. Is this allowed?
    2. If it is allowed are the spares and their spouses and their children allowed to add to the legacies points?
    3. If it is allowed if the house gets full can I move out the spare and her/his children?
    4. If it is allowed can I also move out the spares spouse even though he/she was moved in to create this cadet branch?

        1. Could you elaborate which rule and which comment are in contradiction? We just want to make sure we’re clear which ones we are looking at.

          1. Hello ^^ Yes, I did link the comment, but here it is:

            Hi, first legacy attempt, I have a few questions:

            1. If a spare marries and brings this spouse into the legacy house, are both the spare and his/her spouse able to add to the legacies points and scoring?

            2. If the spare and spares spouse have a child, can that child’s achievements be used towards the legacy’s scoring?

            3. Can you use ‘fulledit cas mode’ to add tattoos? Otherwise there currently is no other way to add tattoo to existing sims.

            Really enjoying all the rules and challenges. It’s such a cool way to play TS 🙂

            Pinstar Legacy
            October 5, 2014 at 1:25 am (UTC -4)
            1. Yes
            2. Yes
            3. Yes

            So the rule in question is about legacy spares bringing in spouses and creating a cadet branch within the household. Playalot had asked if the spouses and children counted toward points. Pinstar answered in the affirmative, but this last comment above, he answers that the spouses and children do not.

  139. I am confused about this rule:
    Spouses may not bring in any money with them when they move in/marry into the family.

    I saw Pinstar’s Masque Legacy videos and he uses his first spouse’s money to build the house.
    So is it allowed or not ?

    1. That video was made before the rule change that stated that Sim spouses couldn’t bring in money. Spouses can no longer bring in money. If they do it must be taken out using the money cheat.

      1. Thank you ImaginingMystic, kinda replied on the wrong conversation lol

  140. can I age up my baby and other sims or do I have to wait until there birthdays??

      1. Thank you ImaginingMystic 🙂
        Will take a while before we get a house then :p

  141. Hi, Pinstar! I have a proposition in which I’m not sure if it would break any rules.
    I wonder if, when DTS (Disappearing Townie Syndrome) shows up, could I save my houshold to the Gallery, as well as my home lot, and then transfer them to a new save game? And then I would switch out the usual premade townies with families found on the Gallery or put Currently not in World Sims into Households. Just a thought that I want to verify with you before doing so!

  142. Can my sim have a job, and can she leave the lot to visit parks etc??

  143. My founder married a Sim, and when I moved him in I realized that he was living with his younger teenage cousin, who I had no choice but move in as well. Can I keep her in the house or should I move her out as soon as she’s old enough? Thank you!

  144. Heres my scenario. I moved my sims lover in with her and eventually he wanted another girlfriend so I had him get one then moved her in as well. After that I decided to have his second lover cheat on him and have children. After my heir was born i moved him and his spare lover out but kept the child of his second lovers affair. Now I am raising that child to marry my spouse. Is all of this witbin the rules? Lol

      1. Mine is a strict Matriarchy and the child I kept as the spouse is a boy.

  145. This isn’t a question, but I just wanted to thank you for all the hard work and maybe give an idea to some fellow simmers. 😉

    I’ve been playing this challenge for a few days and I’ve mixed it in with some elements of the Homeless Challenge (your sims can only make money by painting, collecting, fishing, etc.. Anything that doesn’t involve getting a job) and this has been SO much fun for me, probably because it makes it even more challenging and gives it a little twist. Thank you for being such an awesome simmer and sharing this challenge with your fellow plumbob fans. c:

    P.S. I hope this comment section isn’t just for questions. If it is, my apologies.

  146. You said must reamain on lot. Does this literally mean i cannot leave the lot that is my home lot, or can i like go to the gym in town or something? I’m not sure if you meant this specifically for the moving aspect or not.

  147. Hi! I started this challange and i saw that the houses in the 50×50 lots are amazing so i bought a smaller one and i bought things until i only have 1,800 simelons and i put the objects in my family inventory. Is it okay? And also can my sim paint to earn money? Thank you! 🙂

    1. Author

      If they’re in the family inventory that should be fine, and yes you may paint for cash.

  148. can i visit my neighbors house to use their facilities? 😀

  149. What happens if your founder’s spouse dies and no child has been born/adopted that’s valid as heir? Thanks!

    1. Author

      You may re-marry. They aren’t a ‘primary spouse’ but they can still produce a valid heir.

  150. I’ve been trying to figure the answer to this out but I can’t find it. I’m sure it’s simple and easy but I don’t know.

    Once you determine your eligible heir, is it okay to keep their siblings in the legacy house, and have them marry and have kids? I like to have a full house. And if so, who is eligible to earn points?

  151. Before I start gardening in my legacy I wanted to ask. I have a mod that makes the evolve action like the other gardening actions. You can choose evolve on one plant and it will evolve all the plants that need it. It also adds evolve to the tend gardening actions. Is this a legacy legal mod?

    1. I don’t see why not. It just makes it one continuous action right? Your Sim will autonomously go to the next plant? I just want to make sure it won’t have your Sim evolve all plants at once (which to me seems like it may be an unfair advantage).

    2. Author

      These quality of life mods are generally acceptable, as long as you can’t evolve a plant sooner or to a higher level than you could normally do without the mod.

  152. I have a few questions.

    Spouse – The Primary Spouse may be used to gain legacy points correct? I have a primary spouse (who I didn’t change the aspiration of or any traits – all randomly generated) and I’ve played her with my family. She’s been a great addition and has given me a lot of points. I’d hate to lose her.

    Also, if my heir falls in love with a townie, and when I move that townie in to become the primary spouse, if he/she has any maxed skills or is ahead in a career, can I keep that progress, work off of it, and still claim those legacy points?

    Since it’s townies, I know its unlikely/impossible for them to have any maxed out anything, but I just didn’t know if I would be penalized for moving a townie in that is a level 5 in their career or something. Thanks!

    1. Author

      The primary spouse can earn points, yes.

      If an incoming primary spouse has any maxed skills, then yes you instantly get points for that! There is no penalty for finding a townie with really good skills and/or career. You just can’t import/make sims of your own to bring into the family.

  153. “Spouses may not bring in any money with them” I don’t think this should be a rule. What if my sim was not just marring for kids but for money to. In RL you don’t tell your soon to be spouse to give up all there money so why in the game should we have to?

    1. The reason for this restriction is to make the beginning of the challenge more difficult. Suddenly having 20,000+ simoleons at your disposal due to marriage would make things significantly easier. You are welcome to ignore this rule, but would not be able to track points.

  154. hi so i have parents, who have had 3 children, the girl is just becoming an adult and is heir, once sheis an adult can i move the parents out of the house so she can continue the line to marry and have babies of her own? sorry if already answered couldn’t find it

    1. Author

      Yes, you may do that if you don’t want to deal with the older generation hanging around the house.

  155. Is there any restrictions to the families uploaded to #LegacyLoves?

    1. Nope! Though it’s best if you avoid custom content since it won’t download properly to other people’s games.

  156. I have a question. Can I use the Genetic Transfusion mod for this challenge?

    1. Author

      Not knowing everything about this mod…if all it alters is their genetics then it is fine…anything that alters a sim’s appearance without impacting gameplay (relationship points, wealth, needs, etc) is fine!

  157. So I stopped playing my Legacy family a while ago because my 2nd gen. heiress and her husband can’t seem to stop having boys, and I’m trying to run a matriarchy. I decided to revisit them today, and I just had them Try for Baby again. I was curious about the gender, so I did a pregnancy scan…another boy (their FIFTH). I feel dirty for wanting to change the gender to female, even though the LC rules allow for gender selection.

    Is it okay if I just choose their oldest son as the heir (I really like his genetics and his aspiration) and let them stop having kids, even though the heiress is young enough to continue trying for a girl?


    1. Author

      As long as it is a matriarch and not a STRICT matriarchy, you can just stick with the boys.

  158. Before I ask my primary question, I’d like to know if it’s against the rules to use a mod that scans pregnancies and tells me how many babies there are and what their genders are. Would this be an example of giving myself an unfair advantage?

    I am running a Matriarchy (normal, not Strict), and my current heir is pregnant with her fifth son. I do not wish to change the gender of the child, so am I required to make them continue to have children until she is too old, or can I simply choose their firstborn son as the heir right now? She still has plenty of time left in adulthood, so she could conceivably continue having children until she has her first daughter, but I really don’t want to risk having her and her husband be too old to see all their kids grow up into at least teenhood.


    1. Author

      A mod that tells you both the gender and number of children ahead of time is fine.

      A non-strict matriarchy simply means that boys are able to be heir when there are no girls. There is no rule that states that you MUST keep having babies, so you could stop at the 5 boys and have one of them be heir based on your other succession laws. A Strict Matriarchy, on the other hand, would have 0 eligible heirs at this point, and you’d have to keep producing babies or risk having the family bloodline die out.

  159. Are all rewards fair game, even the one that lowers bills? If I recall correctly there was a restriction on a similar reward in the TS3 legacy rules.

  160. My founder married a divorced sim who already had a kid. They had 2 kids and now the founder died. Can my primary spouse remarry his ex and can I move in the other kid?(she won’t be the heir)

  161. My Sim has 3 kids. Do we have to use trait randomizer because I just closed my eyes and moved the mouse to pick the traits. Is it okay by the rules?

  162. If I think it’s prettier, can I start in a 40×30 lot and purchase items for my family inventory to reduce my starting funds to the same as if I bought a 50×50 lot? If I do, will I be billed the same as if I had a 50×50 lot with just the Knight?

    1. Taxes will probably be a bit less because the 40 x 30 lot will be taxed for less. Not sure by how much though.

      1. What I mean is, if I make up the difference in lot price by buying $1,500 in stuff in addition to the Knight, does the $1,500 in lot size get taxed at the same rate as $1,500 in objects?

        1. That I’m not sure about. Sorry 🙁 It probably won’t be a huge difference in tax amounts though, so I’d say try it out and see!

  163. I know in the rules it says we can’t play any other familiars while doing the legacy challenge but I had a question about that. My first generation heir had 4 kids. The first was a set of triplets and then she had another child when they turned into young adults cause I’m not using any of the triplets as heir. I had one of my daughters marry and move in with her husband (who is a townie) and I was wondering if I could play her so she could have kids and so it expands the family a bit. So there will be aunts and uncles and cousins. Because some 4 doesn’t have story progression. :/

    1. The problem with this is that if you were to start playing her family, your main Legacy family would continue to age on their own lot, there isn’t story progression, but the whole town still ages regardless of whether or not you play them. The only way around this would be to move your side family onto a completely different save file so you can play them without it negatively affecting your main Legacy.

  164. Hii, do I age up child sim when they got an A grade or when the notification comes up? thank you 🙂

  165. i didn’t read any rule on age up or no age up or when in the rule set. did i miss something?
    i only read on reverse process of anti-aging

    1. Age up only when the game says, “It’s so and so’s birthday! Buy a cake and throw a party!” or… whatever it says LOL

  166. When does this legacy actually end? My generation 10 child is about to be born. Does the legacy end when his/her parents achieve their aspiration or when the generation 10 child reaches his/her aspiration? Thanks!

  167. Yay! I have to say I’m more than ready for this legacy to end. The game is so very glitchy. Apparently the game files got tired! 😉 the final chapter should be posted today or tomorrow.

  168. I know the spouse is not allowed to work, but can he write books or play music etc.? I need to know as I am really struggling for money and went a week without paying bills (I’ve paid them now).

  169. So I was playing my family and one of my heirs died – no notification, no visible death sequence, nothing, just found her urn after no indication she was dying. Is there a way to determine cause of death?

    1. Hmm… I don’t believe so since ghost colors no longer tell you how they died. Unless it says how on the family tree, I don’t think you can.

  170. Can I age up my sim early? Or do I have to wait for them to age up naturally?

    1. Oops saw the previous comment, don’t worry!

  171. Hey, I have a question.

    I don’t enjoy playing male sims, I don’t know why. What I’ve been doing is getting my sims pregnant by random townies and then never meet them again. Is that okay?

    Also, I completely forgot about “Only spouse can move in” rule. Are my sims not allowed to have wives move in? They are all randomly generated by the game and all and they don’t make offspring. Just wanted some of my sim mums to be less lonely.


    1. Spouses mean a wife or a husband so wives and husbands can be moved in.

      And yes, female Sims can become pregnant by random townies without moving them in.

      1. Sweet, thanks!

        Oh yeah, was eating fruits to influence gender allowed? I did not do the whole point system, only played for fun, if that matters.

        1. I believe the gender fruits are perfectly fine! If I remember correctly they don’t give a 100% chance of the gender even if you do consume them? They just increase the chance. I’ll confirm that with Pinstar though. It could possibly be a problem if you are doing a strict gender law, but if you aren’t then it’s really not a big deal. I’ll get back to you on this!

        2. Ok, just confirmed it with Pinstar. The fruit is allowed since it’s not a 100% chance.

          Also, I have to ask as I see your email… do/did you play Petz? That’s actually the game that got me into gaming! I started with Petz 3 back in the mid-90’s and was super involved in the community there until Sims came out. Every so often I think about that game and how much fun I had with it. Such an awesome little game 🙂

          1. Ohh, thanks for replies, I only just saw your comments, sorry!

            Yes, I did! I never had a good enough computer to play most of Petz games, sadly, plus we probably didn’t have earlier ones in our country anyway.

            I got this email in my early teens when I had just discovered “make your own site” resource. Turns out you get mail account with it. Of course, considering when it was, the whole thing was just a mess of bright colors and gifs! Now I just use email sometimes.

            So I take it you went gradually from Petz to Sims? Pretty much the same thing happened to me! While I would play other games also, as well as many before then, those two were some of the most memorable in my life.

          2. Yep! Petz was my first PC game! I started with original Dogz and then moved to Petz 3 when it came out. It became my favorite since it allowed breeding. Then I played Petz 4 and 5 as well. 3 was always my favorite though 🙂

  172. How on earth are we expected to complete all the aspirations and such if we have to randomize the traits and aspirations? What if, for example, I want to complete both the love aspirations but I can’t because none of my sims ever roll it on the calculator?

    1. Sorry for taking so long to answer this, moving has been keeping us busy!

      As per Pinstar: “Once you complete an aspiration on a Sim, you get to pick a new one…any one you want. You don’t have to roll on the generator for it. You can pick ones you’re missing”

      However, considering new aspirations have been added and more will probably be added in the future… we may need to readdress this rule at some point.

  173. MY SIM JUST DIED! She was about to get married and she died of fire! What do I do now? This was my first sim for the legacy too!

    1. If she was a founder or heir without a spare then I’m afraid you’ll have to start over. If she was an heir, but you had a spare, then you can use the spare as the new heir.

  174. Sorry if this has been asked (I tried to read all the questions above): My Heir married a female who already had two children. Can I move in the step-children and, more importantly, what can I use them for? Can they contribute money to the household from jobs and skills? Can I count their various achievements (skill levels/aspirations/careers) in my total?

    Also, is it ok to actively interfere to murder sims to complete the ghost type points or does it have to happen without excessive manipulation?

    1. They can contribute money to the family but they will not count for points, so anything that they do (reach the top of a career, max an aspiration, etc) will not count to the overall score of your family. Usually it’s recommended to move any Sims that don’t count out of the family once they become teenagers or young adults.

      And yes, you can kill Sims for ghost type points.

  175. Question: Since we just got a massive patch changing some of us over to 64 bit game, is it allowed for us to move our Legacy Challenge family, house and all to a new game save, just to avoid any bugginess that might be caused by this patch?

    1. Any time you have to do something in game to either avoid or fix a bug, it is completely allowable for the challenge. We understand that bugs happen and won’t fault you for having to do something that you wouldn’t normally have to do.

  176. Hey, coming back to this challenge a new, I was wondering if MC Command Centre was a permissible mod?

    Basically, it does a couple things about in-game background upkeep and adds some story progression back into the game. Ghost towns stop being a thing with this mod.

  177. Hey there! A new question popped up for me.

    They added a new neighborhood in expansion and I quite like it. However, I recall rules saying you couldn’t move houses once you started legacy. But since they added new stuff while I was mid-challenge, I could not had predicted it.

    Anyway, is it allowed to move legacy family to new lot or should I start a new one?

    1. Ah! You know what, I meant to put something in the rules about this and somehow forgot. Yes, you can move to one of the larger lots with an already established Legacy family. But only once and you can’t move back to the old lot. I should update that right now. Thanks for the reminder!

      1. Ahh, thanks! I happened to start a new family already, woops! But I can always come back to the other one and move them to a shiny new home.

        Got another question, if you don’t mind. Are we allowed to use mods for higher bills? I find default bills to be underwhelming and by fifth or so generation on my last Legacy game, the payments would not even make a dent on budget anymore.

        1. Any mods that make the challenge more difficult are fine. It’s the mods that make it easier that we don’t really want used 🙂

          1. Oh, oh, got more, is that okay?

            I like to play as aliens or at least unusual sims. I like to think I’m doing trait/firstborn + brood rules. However, alien townies are so hard to find and the game does not seem to generate them very fast.

            So I have a couple of options usually, if limited supply does not give desired partner.

            1. Have an alien-looking child with a human and pretend it’s an alien.

            2. If alien parent is a different skin from what I like, I would probably try to have a baby with primary parent’s color.

            So in both options, it might take a few tries to get a desired-looking kid.

            Guess my question is, is it allowed to choose heir based on looks? And does the case #1 count as Brood rule? I am worried my game will run out of aliens or something.

            Hope that made sense, thanks!

          2. Sure! It’s not an official succession law, but we don’t have a problem with people taking their own creative liberties with the rules and changing it to suit their preferences 🙂

          3. Err, I meant Xenophobic rule, not Brood. Woops.

  178. Hey Pinstar and ImaginingMystic, I actually have a couple questions regarding spouses.

    1. Do you have to move in a spouse to be able to have children with them? I have a founder who’s the independent woman sort and I was hoping to have her be a single mom and her offspring be the result of a short love affair with a man she fell in and out of love with fairly quickly.

    2. I’m having a hell of a time tracking down a single townie who isn’t completely hideous but one of the premade Sims from Windenburg seems to have hit it off well with my founder. I wasn’t planning on ever moving him in (hence question #1) so he’d never bring any money into the house and I didn’t know what his traits were until my Sim found them out by talking to him. Would he be okay to become a spouse/partner/baby donor/whatevs provided he adds no money to the household and my Sim found out his traits on her own without me having any prior knowledge of them?

    1. 1) No you don’t have to move the spouse in if you have a female founder/heir. Having a “baby daddy” that lives elsewhere is perfectly acceptable. You just won’t be able to use the guy for career/collection etc points.

      2) Yes, that sounds perfectly fine!

  179. Ah wait, actually scratch my question #1, I see ImaginingMystic answered it in a comment, sorry about that.

  180. In regards to aging up children and teenagers, can we age them up as soon as they have an A grade, or must we wait until they age up on their own?

    1. You must wait until the game prompts you to buy them a birthday cake for their birthday (which will be the last day of their current age I believe).

  181. I just started my very first Legacy and I surmise from comments above my female founder’s love child with Don Lothario can be the next gen heir if I wish and he would not be considered her spouse/mate, right? But, can I move him in with her as long as they don’t marry? Or can she still marry him , move him in, etc. but his traits would not count for their child since he’s not a Townie? What if my Founder falls in love with an eligible Townie while still pregnant with Don’s child and wishes to marry this guy and have him move in, would he then be the Primary Spouse/Mate and I’d have to use HIS traits for the new child once it’s born? Even though he’s not the Baby Daddy?

    1. BTW, I know I should just use her traits for Don’s child either way since he’s not a Townie. That’s my plan for the moment anyway. The only reason I ask is because I couldn’t find her a suitable spouse/mate from the Townie pool so I just had her use Don as a ‘donor.,’ lol BUT, lo and behold, she finally met an eligible Townie and they hit it off so I was thinking if all goes well, she’d marry this guy and move him in for more possible heirs in case I don’t like Don’s child. I use Equality/Traditional, Random, Tolerant for Succession Laws if that helps. 🙂

    2. Don will count as a spouse. The old rule of “No townies” from Sims 2 no longer applies to Sims 4. Whoever your Founder marries and moves in first (either Don or the other townie) would be considered the primary spouse.

      1. Okay, cool, thank you for your reply. 🙂 Glad to hear I can move Don in as a spouse if I wish. I thought according to the rules that pre-mades could not be used for spouses.

        My founder, Spring Weather, had her baby, a sweet little girl at the hospital last night. She invited Don to come and he showed up, but then he freaked out and ran off screaming into the night. lol Spring is a little miffed at him now, but she might forgive him. He’s been a very attentive and loving boyfriend. When she told him she was preggers and he was the Father, I was very surprised when he was actually happy about it considering he’s non-committal.

        I’m having fun with this Legacy Challenge, Misty is my first baby in the game and she’s such a sweet-natured baby, hardly cries at all. Have a great week and Happy Simming! 🙂

  182. If I’m using a sim from the gallery (using #legacyloves) as a spouse for my current heir, can I move them directly into the legacy house, or should I move them into their own house first?

  183. My founder, Mew Tajiri, is in the scientist career track and just made a clone of herself. Is the clone (labeled sister on the family tree) considered a spare and can she be used to earn the same points as if Mew had been a second gen heir instead of the founder?

    1. The clone was added to my household automatically, while Mew was at work.