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Sims 3 Legacy Challenge Rules

Sims 3 Legacy Challenge Rules

The Legacy Challenge is a long, 10-generation challenge where you start out with a single founder and very humble beginnings and try to lead the family to fame, fortune and success over the course of 10 generations.

Starting out

Create a brand new game file. You will be using this file exclusively to play your Legacy Challenge. You may use an existing game file, but your Legacy family must immediately become the “Active Household” and not cease to be active for the duration of the challenge. You may select any neighborhood.

The challenge begins with a single founder. Make this founder in Create A Sim. They may be male or female. They may be any age that can have children (YA, Adult and Elder for males, YA and Adult for females). You have full choice over their look, color and clothing. Custom content may be used if you like, including create-a-style custom patterns and colors. You may choose all 5 traits as well as their three favorite likes (food, music and color) and a lifetime want. No other sims may be created in the founder’s family. Be creative with the family name, you’ll be seeing it for quite some time.

Now to place the founder. While you are free to choose either standard town, there is a very specific lot that must be used. If you move into Riverview, you must move into “345 Riverblossom Hills Drive”. If you move into Sunset Valley, you will be moving into “15 Summer Hill Court”. The common thread between these lots is that they are large, empty and cost $14,700. Yes I know that leaves you with only $1,300 ($1,800 if you have expansions) in cash to build a house, that’s the point. All legacies start out with very humble beginnings and expect your founder to live like a hobo for awhile. If additional neighborhoods are made available with mods or EPs, or we gain the ability to plop our own lots down, they may be used, as long as the lot in question is completely empty and costs at least $14,700.

 

Rules:

No cheating. Plain and simple, no money or mood cheats (with the exception of the “family funds” cheat to lower your founder’s income down to $1300 if they purchase a smaller lot and any cheat needed to fix a game-breaking glitch or bug). You may use custom objects, as long as their price and mood effects are in line with similar ‘official’ objects. Objects purchased from the Sim Store are considered ‘official’ as well as the ones included with the game.
Aging and story progression must be on and lifespans set to the normal level.
You are allowed to play with any Mod that does not give you a signifigant advantage over a player without the mod. The only specific mod I know of at the moment, Awesome Mod, is allowed.
The Legacy family must be the “Active Household” during the entire challenge. You may never switch the active household to another family. If you want to take a break from Legacy play, it is recommended you play in another saved game slot.

No Ambrosia! Your sims may learn the recipe for Ambrosia, but may not cook or consume the dish. Nor may ambrosia be used to resurrect ghosts.

You may not ressurect dead sims via the Science lab.
Sims may not consume life fruit to gain extra days to their lifespan.
You may age sims up via the birthday cake only once the game prompts you with a reminder of their impending birthday, not earlier. You do not have to use the birthday cake to age sims up, you can wait for the game to force the age transition if you wish.
Death Flowers may not be kept in inventory. You may gather and sell them, but cannot be used to ward off death

The following Lifetime Rewards CANNOT be used:

-Inheritance
-Dusty Old Lamp
-Immortal
-Age Freeze
-Moodlet Manager – You can zap non-family Sims with it if you like, but you cannot use it on your Legacy family Sims unless they are spares and move out and are no longer in the main playable family.
-Clone Voucher is allowed but cannot earn the family any points

Black Market Restriction:
The Black Market is no longer being monitored by police. Kleptos, rummagers and theives are now allowed to liquidate their ill gotten goods for cash.

Moving Sims in:
Any sim may be moved into the Legacy Family via marriage or move-in except for the following:
Sims created by the player
Sims/households downloaded and imported from the exchange
Sims that had previously lived in the Legacy household but had since moved out
Sims that are identified by your sim as “Rich” are now fair game for all sims except your founder.

All other sims are fair game. You are allowed to create/download/import sims and families into your Legacy neighborhood, they just cannot join the family.
No sims/families may ever be merged into the Legacy family. If you wish to add members, they must be done in game.

Supernaturals

Supernaturals are allowed in the Legacy Challenge, but keep in mind that several of them are quite long lived. If you do not want to deal with having a Sim in your household for several generations then you will want to keep that in mind when you move in a Supernatural. If you don’t want to keep the Supernatural Sim in your household for more than one generation you can either move them out when the next heir comes of age, kill them, or cure them (in the case of Vampires and Werewolves). If you have the Supernatural expansion, but don’t want Supernaturals in your game, you can turn the option off entirely.

 

Challenge concepts

Generation: Order of birth in relation to the family at large. Your founder is generation 1, your founder’s son/daughter would be generation 2, the grandchildren of the founder would be generation 3 and so on. The challenge ends the moment generation 10 is born.
Founder: The sim you create in CAS who starts the family.
Heir: The sim belonging to the family bloodline who is slated to bring in the next generation once he/she is old enough and finds a mate.
Spare: A sibling of an heir, who can become an heir should anything happen to the current heir. Spares may be fed to the time stream or kept on the lot if you wish. They are eligible to earn legacy points for the family.
Fed to the time stream: Moving a controllable sim out of the legacy house. A sim fed to the time stream no longer can generate legacy points for the family, but still may be interacted with. Legacy points that have already been earned by this sim still count towards your total, even after you move the sim out.
Legacy Points: Your score for the challenge, earned in a variety of ways described below. The goal of the challenge is to get as many legacy points before the 10th generation.
Legacy House: The lot initially moved into by your founder. You may not move the family to another lot during the entire challenge. All heirs must be born in this house (or rather, born from sims living at this house, even if they use the hospital to give birth)
Bloodline: Any sim who can trace his or her family tree directly to the founder. *IMPORTANT RULE CHANGE!!!* Adopted sims are now allowed to be part of the bloodline. Sims that are moved in are only considered part of the bloodline when they contribute to the birth of the next generation.
Mate: A sim brought in from outside the family to reproduce with the current generation’s heir to produce the next generation. When the next generation is born, the mate becomes part of the family bloodline and eligible to earn points.

 

Points:

You earn points for your family in the following ways.
Generation: You get 1 legacy point for your founder, and 1 point for every generation born until the 10th. You earn each point at the birth of the first child in each generation. Further births in that generation do not generate more points. Thus you can only earn a maximum of 10 total Generation points by completing the challenge and birthing the 10th generation.

Lifetime wants: You gain 1 point for every unique lifetime want fulfilled by a family member. The sim in question must be living in the legacy house and be part of the family tree to earn this point. Once a specific liftime wish has been fulfilled by a sim, further sims fulifilling that wish will not earn you a legacy point for doing so. There are 32 unique liftime wishes in the game, meaning you could earn a maximum of 32 points in this category.

Portraits: 1 point for creating a portrait of a family member and keeping it on display after their death. Like above, the sim must be part of the family tree and living in the legacy house to qualify for this point. You earn this point after the portrait is created, you do not have to wait for the sim in the portrait to actually die. Portraits are still worth their points even if the family member pictured is moved out of the house later on. The skill of the artist doing the portrait does not matter, as long as it features the sim in question it counts. Portraits may be of any size or style. Keep in mind that a sim must have a painting skill of at least 5 to get the option of painting a still life (needed to capture a sim’s picture).
Sims must be of Young Adult or older and living on the Legacy Lot at the time of painting to count for a portrait point.

NEW ADDITION TO THE PORTRAITS RULE – You can now count sculptures and books (autobiographies and biographies) as part of this! However, only one type (portrait, sculpture, or book) per Sim please! You may also now use photographs providing the Sims has reached level 4 (sepia) in the photography skill track. Thank you RKade for the suggestions!

Legacy House: Earn 1 legacy point for every $100,000 in net worth the house is worth. To get the net worth combine the “Furnished Value” of the house with the family’s cash on hand. Round up. This category can have a maximum of 20 points earned, meaning a net-worth of 2,000,000

Aspiration Rewards: If a sim is able to earn 100,000 points worth of aspiration rewards, they earn your family 1 legacy point. You are free to spend aspiration points as you gain them, it is your lifetime total, not your current total, that matters for this point. Like the other sim-based points, this may only be earned by family members. You may earn an additional point in this category from a sim if they somehow earn 200,000 points in their lifetime.

 

Birth and growing up

 

Whenever a sim is born or ages up, they will often obtain new traits. Sometimes these traits are randomly assigned by the game. Other times the game lets you pick them. In the Legacy Challenge, all traits are random. If you are given the option to pick traits for any sim, you must hit the random button and accept the trait that is randomly assigned. The only exception is if you are playing with the “Family Trait” optional rule. If you are, and the family trait is one of the options, you may select that trait rather than hitting the random button.

Death

Sims that die on the family lot may be kept around as ghosts, or may be moved to a cemetery. It is up to you. If a sim dies and you forgot to get their portrait, making a portrait of their ghost does not count. If the bloodline is cut short by death, the challenge ends immediately. It is always a good idea to have at least one spare in case the heir perishes. Even if ghosts become playable, they may not earn any further points for the family. Ghost babies are not considered part of any bloodline.

 

Bringing in the next generation

In order to bring in the next generation, a new sim must be born.You may also choose to adopt Sims since they are considered part of the founder’s family trees. This will be especially helpful if you decide to have a homosexual founder/heir and don’t want to use a mod to get them pregnant. Just be aware that you won’t be able to choose the genetic traits of their children. If the heir is male, you must move their mate into the legacy family house before having a baby. If the heir is female, she may move her mate in, or simply get pregnant while off the lot. In either case, the heir and their mate don’t have to be married. Sims may be born at home or in a hospital, whichever you prefer. The moment the next generation is born, the heir’s mate officially becomes part of the family bloodline (and thus can earn lifetime want, aspiration perk and portrait points for you, provided they are living in the Legacy House).

New addition to this rule – If you own the Into the Future expansion pack, your Sims are now allowed to “engineer a baby” at the hospital. This makes it possible for homosexual couples to have a baby without the use of mods.

Optional Rules

These are optional rules you may play with if you wish. They don’t affect your score in any way, and are merely tools to help establish a theme for your family.

Family Trait
When creating your founder in CAS, choose one of the founder’s 5 traits to become the ‘family trait’ for your legacy family. There after, every sim born to the legacy family must possess this trait by the time they reach young adulthood. If they do not inherit it at birth, you must choose that trait the moment you are given the option to. The remaining traits still must be rolled for.

Matriarchy/Patriarchy

Whatever gender your founder was, this must be the gender of every heir. Meaning if you started with a female founder, only female children may become the heir to bring in the next generation. Children of the other gender are still counted as part of the family bloodline and may still earn the family points, they simply may not bring in the next generation.
A male dominant family is called a Patriarchy, a female dominant family is a Matriarchy.

Story Teller

A popular practice is to write a story for your Legacy family and upload it in chapters. If you feel the creative energy, why not try uploading your own story? There is no in-game bonus for doing this, but the addition to the community is always welcome!

FAQ

Why do I have to buy such a big lot. I barely have money in the beginning?
Early poverty is a hallmark of the challenge. A large plot of land not only drains the available cash from your starting funds, it gives you the ability to build some epic sized legacy homes as you play through the generations and get more wealth.

If I’m playing with the family trait option, does my sim’s mate have to have that trait too?
No.

Can I move in/marry sims into the legacy home that aren’t going to help bring in the next generation?
Yes, keep in mind that they don’t earn any points for the family. Even sims that are destined to help bring in the next generation won’t count as part of the family until the next generation is actually born.

Does the first born have to be the heir?

No, as long as they are part of the bloodline and born on the legacy house they are eligible to be an heir, regardless of order of birth. They must be the proper gender if playing with the matriarchy/patriarchy option.

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  1. TC

    Can you move the old heirs out when the new heirs come of age?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes you can :)

  2. Magi

    I’ve never done a legacy before and have some questions. Is it all for fun? I mean the points for everything, do I have to make my own blog to prove that I’m not cheating, or just play the game without doing a blog? Hope that made sense.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      You don’t have to keep track of points if you don’t want to and you certainly don’t need to make your own blog for it. The people that make blogs do it because they want to, not because they have to :) It’s all about having fun!

  3. WJ

    I posted on the sims 3 forum post, but I figure this would be a good place to ask too. What’s the rules for Into the Future and lotto tickets? Or gambling at the casino? Cause lotto is in game now and the casino is Store Content.

    I’ve never done a legacy and just want to understand everything before I start. And I won’t be keep track of points, I’ll just do it for fun.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Hmm… good question. We don’t actually own Into the Future so I’m not sure what exactly those items do for gameplay. I’ll have Pinstar read up on it and then either he or I will get back to you once he does :)

    2. Pinstar

      It is allowed, but keep in mind that your family’s net worth legacy points cap out at 2,000,000 so while the lotto and casino might make it easy to hit this, you can’t get beyond 20 legacy points from money alone.

  4. hairpin

    What about Legacy House points – contribution to income – Is it required that either ghosts or unfruitful mates don’t work so they don’t add to family income? Money isn’t mentioned – but I think most people by the time they get to 10 generations will achieve 2,000,000 household funds. Despite bloodline, can household members contribute to total family income?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      If they are in the household they can work and it will count :)

  5. Tipitii

    Can you send your kids to boarding school or is it against the rules?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes that’s fine!

  6. Archdandy

    Are you or Pinstar planning on updating the challenge for the expansion packs?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Not for the Sims 3. The way the challenge was originally written it should still be usable in all of the expansion packs. Pinstar has always felt that he made too many changes to he advanced rules in the Sims 2 and made them too difficult, so he tried to avoid that with the Sims 3. We plan on being much more active with changes to the Sims 4 Legacy Challenge, though. It will be kind of a middle ground between what he did with the Sims 2 and the Sims 3.

  7. Jmg

    Would it be considered cheating to use the Fountain of Youth Elixir on an heir?

    1. Pinstar

      The rules are written to not slow the progression of aging on your heirs/main household sims so the challenge doesn’t go on indefinitely. So I’d say no fountain of youth elixir/ young again potions.

  8. Tipitii

    How about wedding gifts? My founder found a guy who wasn’t rich and married him, but now they got wedding gift that’s worth 75000. Can I sell it and use the money to build better house or something? I mean, I couldn’t even know that they would get so expensive gift, so it’s ok, right? :)

  9. oj

    I have a question. I had one of my spares knock up a couple of townies before he moved out. I’m on the next generation now and those kids are my heir’s cousins. The rules make it clear that those cousins can’t be considered spares because they were not born in the legacy house, but what about portraits? If I move them into the house temporarily to make portraits of them, will those portraits count towards the portrait points?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      I don’t think the portraits would count either since they weren’t born into the Legacy house, but I will confirm this with Pinstar when he gets home :)

      1. oj

        Ok. Please let me know if he confirmed :]

        1. ImaginingMystic

          So sorry it took so long to get back to you! I kept forgetting to ask him about this. He confirmed that what I said was correct, they would not count.

  10. Noxmutt

    I would assume that offspring of any extra families that you add to your legacy town are fair game as mates, just not members of the directly added family. Is that correct?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Actually I don’t think that matters. As long as they aren’t rich (that only applies to the 1st Generation though) anyone is fair game in the neighborhood.

      1. Noxmutt

        I was asking because of this part of the rules:

      2. Noxmutt

        I was asking because of this part of the rules:
        All other sims are fair game. You are allowed to create/download/import sims and families into your Legacy neighborhood, they just cannot join the family.

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Here is what he says:

          As long as they aren’t rich and as long as you don’t load the sim up with expensive items to bring over, that’s fine. The point of the restriction on directly marrying in imported sims is that you should not be allowed to hand-craft your sim’s spouse to give them ideal traits/lifetime wants etc. The *children* of these imported family, however, have traits and lifetime wants that are out of your control. As such, they are fair game.

          So, I was incorrect, the created Sims can’t be married in, but the children are fine! Sorry for the confusion! You’d think I’d be more knowledgeable on the rules being Pinstar’s wife… sadly that is not the case, haha.

          1. Noxmutt

            Cool. Thank you both for the clarification.

            I have no interest in unfair advantages; I even used NRAAS to _decrease_ my funds down to $1,300 after buying the most expensive undeveloped property in Isla Paridiso and still having too much money left over.

            On top of the rules above, I am running my legacy with an additional 6 restrictions. I am having a blast! Thank you both for this well thought out challenge.

  11. Noxmutt

    These two items from above are in conflict. Which one is correct?

    Black Market Restriction:
    The Black Market is no longer being monitored by police. Kleptos, rummagers and theives are now allowed to liquidate their ill gotten goods for cash.

    OR

    Are collection items, such as rocks, insects and seeds subject to the black market restriction?
    No, you are allowed to sell any collection items you find…as long as they weren’t stolen out of someone’s house or garbage.

    Additionally, if stealing is allowed, then is it okay to steal from an ensorceled sim (if you are playing as a Genie)?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Huh, I never noticed that before. I’ll have to ask him about that, but I’m thinking when he removed the black market restriction, he forgot to update that bottom portion to reflect that.

    2. ImaginingMystic

      Ok just confirmed this with Pinstar. I was right, he just forgot to take out that bottom part (going to go do that right now!). You an sell anything and everything by any means. And oops! I missed the part about the genie earlier. He said yes you can steal from an ensorceled Sim.

      1. Noxmutt

        Bwa-ha-ha!!! I shall make them dance and feed me cake. And then give me all their inventory. ;)

  12. Nullah

    I’m doing the challenge with the matriarchy restriction. I currently have 1 heir, but she has two older brothers. If she dies, can her brothers still get eligible heirs? Or can only the children of the heir be heirs?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      They can still become heirs, but you won’t be able to complete the Matriarchy portion of the challenge. The Matriarchy/Patriarchy “rule” of the Sims 3 Legacy challenge is completely optional and doesn’t add any points to your game, so if you can’t complete it, don’t worry about it, it won’t affect your score :)

      So if she dies, just let one of the boys become heir, you can choose to try to do the Matriarchy with the rest of the heirs if you choose, since it’s an optional rule, you can kind of do whatever you want with it.

  13. Noxmutt

    I have another rules question that affects the legacy challenge as well as the SOTM challenge. I fear I know the answer, but…

    While the rules above state that official store content is allowed (Objects purchased from the Sim Store are considered ‘official’ as well as the ones included with the game), they were probably written before the addition of several game play altering items. Of most interest to me at the moment are dragons.

    I fear that these might be considered violations of the spirit of the challenge. Each of the four dragons can reset two of your motives, depending on which one you are carrying. The purple dragon is especially efficient at manipulating people. The black dragon can summon death flowers, but I would assume that just not using that function would suffice, but what about everything else?

    Here is some information on the dragons: “http://www.carls-sims-3-guide.com/worlds/dragonvalley.php#babydragons

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Ooh hmm… that’s a good question. I -almost- bought Dragon Valley for the dragons but I didn’t realize they had so many game altering effects. I’m going to email Pinstar at work and see what he says. He may not get back to me until he gets home tonight, but I’ll let you know once I find out what he says.

      1. ImaginingMystic

        Ok, he said that the red dragon is ok from the sounds of it, but the others sound pretty over-powered. However, how difficult are dragons to obtain? If they are EXTREMELY difficult to get, then use the rewards might not be too bad, but if you can just buy them, then we’d have to say no.

        1. Noxmutt

          Since you are curious, I’ll give you my take on the Dragons, having played with them quite a bit.

          Dragon eggs are an inexpensive buyable item at well under §1,000, and if you are playing in Dragon Valley itself their eggs are free all over the place. You have to use the right social interactions with them to get the color you want, and even then that doesn’t always happen. You need to be teen or older to use them.

          As for the 2-item moodlets, they only stay full as long as you are holding your dragon. Soon after you put it down or back in your inventory, then they start to drop again. The two that recharge energy (red & black) can alleviate the need for sleeping, much like being an alien does. Black does require an _additional_ purchase from the Sims store.

          As for their training abilities, they seem incredibly fast at first, but after playing with them a lot, they don’t seem much faster than reading an appropriate book in a library with the fast learner perk. However, I have not made any exact timing studies on this.

          The special abilities of each one vary greatly in power and usefulness depending on what you are trying to accomplish with your character.

          RED: I don’t find them that useful at all beyond the training and the sleep recharge, which is extremely useful. Evil Sims can get some joy out of the fireball, but I have yet to actually light anyone on fire with it; they get singed at worst… so far.
          GREEN: These guys are a gardener’s best friend. Not only do they instantly fertilize your garden, they case a growth spurt, and they instantly harvest any produce that is ready. Not even a gardening plumbot can do as good of a job as they can, though they aren’t as fast as a high level fairy in growing plants. The treasure they summon is usually a random uncut gemstone, but sometimes it is nothing more than a goldfish. With a 1 hour Sim time recharge, this is better than you can do gathering gemstones with the item collection wish.

          PURPLE: The “life of the party” is amusing, but all it does is raise the overall quality of _every_ party going on in town at that moment. The moodlet boost is useful in social situations, but their real power comes in instantly summoning someone new and making that random person your friend without any social interaction needed. That is powerful! Again, the usefulness depends on your playing style but I can see it breaking a great many challenges.

          BLACK: The summoning of the death flower practically at will is great if you are not playing a challenge that requires you not to use them. The haunting power didn’t impress me that much, but it did seem better than red’s fireball for being evil. I honestly have not played with phantasmal curse enough to know how powerful it is.

          In my personal playing style, not having to sleep is a major game bonus that one can only come near by paying an alien. With that ability, College suddenly becomes easy as you can have it all; party and study. I went one semester without setting foot in my dorm room and got nothing but straight A’s.

          Dragons require no upkeep. You don’t _have_ to feed them, or even be social with them, except to get their bonuses. For an “uncaring” Sim, they can be little more than tool to be used when needed and stowed otherwise. One could have one of each color in their inventory and use them whenever their bonus is wanted and otherwise forget about them. On caveat to this is that if you left your Sim play with them on its own, it tends to put them down on the ground and walk away, making it a pain to sometimes go and find them, especially if another person in your family picked it up and has it in their inventory.

          NOTE: After finishing my write-up, I can’t see how using dragons at all wouldn’t completely nerf any of the challenges, so I would, unfortunately, be forced to concur that they should be banned form all challenges. That said, I think they are fun and don’t regret the purchases I made to have them.

  14. Noxmutt

    I hate to be a bother, but there is something else I have been wondering about. I am curious as to why the choosing of traits must be random? I assume it is somehow part of the “plot” for the legacy story line, I am just not sure how and why it came about. A “in world” explanation, rather than a real world one would be more fun.

    And, of course, that leads to the question of the device in University that allows you to alter your traits. I would assume that function of it is not allowed as well? Although, sending your kids to boarding school is allowed, which does allow you some control over their traits, albeit rather in a limited range of traits.

    Noxie

    P.S. I am not at all complaining. I just have a tendency to over think things; I am, or was rather, a writer.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      It’s there just add more challenge and interest to the game. There really is no story behind it (that I know of). Back in the Sims 2 Legacy Challenge your lifetime aspiration had to be rolled for to determine whether your Sim would be a popularity, family, knowledge sim etc. In the Sims 3 there is no set aspiration the traits are randomized instead to give you a unique Sim every time.

      In the Sims 2 going to college allowed you to change your Sims’s aspiration and also added a 6th want slot. So going to University in The Sims 3 is completely allowed. You can choose to alter your traits if you wish, though I believe you still need to randomize them for the challenge, it just gives you a chance to get new ones if you wish.

  15. RKade

    My wife and I have altered your money rule (1p per $1m as opposed to $100k) and have expanded the portrait rule to include sculptures (stone, metal, and unmelting ice only) and books (auto/biographies.)

    We were wondering about your thoughts regarding the second item. We did it because pigeonholing sims into painting seems impractical with so many more skills available. We wanted to do something with the Photography skill but it’s too easy to cheese it. The closest thing we could come up with to balanced was requiring the pictures to be sepia (level 4) or above.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      I think that adding sculptures and books is a great idea! I’ll mention it to Pinstar.

      I also like your tougher money rule. My family is just starting the 3rd generation and they are rolling in simoleons.

    2. ImaginingMystic

      Pinstar thinks this is a great idea. This is why we love having community input because neither of us thought to do this. I am going to go ahead and add it to the rules for anyone that wishes to do this.

      1. RKade

        Excellent. If my wife or I think of anything new, we’ll let you guys know. She’ll be RKadePlayer.

        Can we sell the free camera we get? It’s an extra $700 or so. I don’t but I figure you guys might want to address it. Also, in the future expac, you get a free teleporter thing that’s another $700.

        Maxis can’t seem to keep from giving us money.

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Haha! I will ask Pinstar about the camera once he gets home from work. I haven’t sold any of mine. My heirs keep inheriting the old ones and now have a ton of cameras. I’ll ask about the teleporter as well!

    3. Pinstar

      I would rule that highest-quality most expensive photographs, Biographies written by another sim *about* a sim, or autobiographies written by a sim for themselves would all count.

      As for the free camera/ free teleporter. No selling them in the first generation. You can place and use them, but no liquidating them as it trivializes the early game.

      1. Ana Kinatka

        What would be a highest-quality most expensive photograph? I can’t find this addition in the ruleset above, and would like to know more specifically.

        I’m asking this because of a really annoying glitch, which doesn’t allow my paintersim to paint portraits or still-lifes any more. She’s level 10 and it worked just fine until now. She just cancels the interaction after the picture is taken with the camera. The only suggested solution I found so far is starting a new savefile, which of course is not an option at all.

        The biography/sculpting alternatives are impossible for my family, since none of them has sculpted or written anything, and I’m about to move out my spare. Also, I really like the idea of having a massive portrait gallery in the end.

        1. Ana Kinatka

          edit: forget the part about the glitch, I solved the problem! Deleting all the cache files helped. I’d still like to know about the photograps though :)

        2. ImaginingMystic

          Sorry for the delay in responding, we’ve been traveling.

          Oops! I forgot to add the part about photographs into the rules!

          Pinstar said that going with what RKade suggested (sepia level (level 4) and above) would be considered higher quality. It goes along with painting in that a Sim will need a certain level to paint portraits so the same would hold true for photos. You don’t have to USE sepia in your photos it’s just used as a marker to show when you can use your Sim’s photography skills to make portrait photos. Once the ability to use sepia shows up, that’s when you know you can use that Sim’s photos.

          Hope that helps! I’ll add that to the rules now!

  16. Angie

    Can your sim get a job?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yep, jobs and professions are how Legacy Sims make most of their money :)

  17. gsbs

    Can i use the ‘ ageuptonpc ‘ cheat to change spares into a non-playable character ?

    1. gsbs

      *spares in their teenage phase

    2. gsbs

      *spares in their toddler or child phase

    3. ImaginingMystic

      Pinstar says that that should be fine. Just don’t add them back into the house later or anything :)

      1. gsbs

        thnx a lot!! :D

  18. Kespeare

    I know the rules state that you cannot have the founder marry another sim that the player has placed into the game, but what if the other sim had just as humble of beginnings? Wouldn’t that be alright?
    I’m honestly only asking because I enjoy making sims that are my take on real life actors and actresses, and would rather have my founder marry one of them than the standard sims that already live in each town.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Hmm… let me ask Pinstar about that when he gets home :) I’m not sure myself!

  19. Brianab3ar

    When the new heir comes of age do we have to move them onto a new lot for them to start the next generation or do we have to keep them on the same lot

    1. ImaginingMystic

      You keep them on the same lot :) The Legacy family stays on one lot for the entirety of the challenge.

  20. Jordyn

    hey can we like make the mate cheat and get pregnant or get others pregnant if they are part of the blood line will the said child become part of the bloodline…….and also can your sims get devorsed before and after haveing said child

    1. ImaginingMystic

      The spouse/mate’s kids would not be part of the bloodline as they could not trace their lineage directly back to your founder. Yes, they can get divorced. Just make sure they have a child directly related to the founder first.

  21. Jordyn

    so if you have the wife/husband cheat on the spouse and they are part of the bloodline…..well if they have a kid while cheating will that kid be part of the bloodline to or only kids from the main family and also the kid is born in the legisey house ext following all the roles and stuff….. and also what if you want your sims to go to collage and stuff that would be a different lot and stuff but you come back to your old lot…..sorry it was not making sense in my head had to ask……

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Kids can go to college, it’s ok if it’s a different lot. I believe I answered the other part of your question in your previous post :) Only kids part of the main bloodline can be considered as heirs or heiresses.

  22. Tony

    I am running a sims 3 legacy challenge. I have a sim that was the heirs imaginary friend. I have made the imaginary friend real. Is that sim now considered a spare/family member?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      It wouldn’t be considered a spare unless it was directly related to the founder (ie you can trace its lineage back to the founder on its family tree). I believe, however, that you could use it as a spouse for one of your Sims.

      1. Tony

        Thanks, I thought so but I wasn’t sure.

  23. Christina

    Since the EP’s have been released are there any other known lots that we can start our Legacy home on? I know of the ones in Sunset Valley and Riverview. I didn’t want to have to worry about moving them into a cheaper lot and adjusting the cash (that is allowed right? I thought I read that but can’t remember), because honestly I don’t want to deal with it. I’ve just within the last few days learned of this challenge so I’ve been spending time reading legacy stories and re-reading the rules so I can have a completely clear understanding before I start. Also, I don’t remember if this was mentioned above but what exactly is the point of…well…points? I would like to keep track of points, but if we don’t have to keep track of points, what’s the point of the point system? I just want as much knowledge as I can before I get started. I’ve already started brainstorming on what optional rules I want to play with and how I’m going to attempt to go about it. Lol but with my luck, over planning will be the demise of legacy before I’m anywhere close to being finished. Thanks for taking the time to read this and for taking the time to come up with this awesome challenge!

    1. ImaginingMystic

      The point of points (haha) is just to ad an additional challenge for you. Points are completely optional. If you want to use them, then they add some extra challenge for you as you will need to be more strict during the challenge than without.

      As for lots, I believe the majority of the lots on the newer worlds sell for less than $14,700 which means the familyfunds cheat needs to be used (and yes it’s legal!). I know it’s a bit of a pain, but thankfully once you do it you won’t have to worry about it again. Hopefully in the Sims 4 there will be a better way for us to determine how much a founder starts out with or we’ll come up with a more flexible rule, but only time will tell for that.

    2. -val

      So, with the Supernatural pack installed, does your founder have to be human? If so, is it okay if heirs are half human, half supernatural?

      1. ImaginingMystic

        Yes, they should start human as several of the Supernatural Sims start off with benefits that a human Sim would not have. Heirs are allowed to become supernatural or half-supernatural if you marry a Supernatural in.

  24. Tony

    Don’t mean to sound like a total Noob. but if the lot costs less than $14,700 then what’s the rule in that situation if you are allowed to use the familyfunds cheat? Wish I had known that before as I would have started my legacy in a different town.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Use the family funds cheat and set the founder’s wealth to $1300.

      1. Alexis

        I noticed with my legacy that the familyfunds cheat DOESN’T WORK if your surname/household name is more than one word (mine are Van Den Hoven). To fix the issue with mine I just bought and sold the same car repeatedly (fast depreciation) until I ended up with §1305 in funds, which was as close as I could get it.

        Also I noticed when I started that the biggest (64×64) lots are considerably less than §14,700 now. I think mine was about §8000? Had to place it myself as there wasn’t one available. I don’t know when this change in price occurred, but obviously it makes the initial challenge a lot easier unless you use familyfunds (or my method as above) to reduce to §1300 anyway?

        Ah, doing further research, I found out that the pre-set lots [I think Nightlife gave the ability to place your own lots.] cost 14,700; while lots you set down yourself cost 8192. So that answers that, I guess. Mine was cheap-o because I placed it myself.

        Another thing is that my sims don’t get the option to ‘paint portrait’ until skill level 7 (not 5)

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Whoops! We’ll fix the painting level in the rules. Using Familyfunds in a Sims 3 Legacy to decrease to the right amount of money at the beginning is perfectly fine :)

          1. Christina Anderson

            I’m wondering if her problem with the portrait painting isn’t some kind of bug or glitch because I have no problem painting a portrait and level 5. I mean, they don’t look pretty, but they’re portraits lol. Although I suppose painting a portrait at level 7 would probably look much better than at level 5 anyways.

          2. Ana Kinatka

            They can paint still lifes at level 5, which can be used as portraits or self portraits. The real “paint portrait of … ” is unlocked at level 7.

          3. Christina Anderson

            Oooh okay, I never realized that. Glad I have that tidbit of info now. Good looking out!

          4. Ana Kinatka

            I’m not entirely sure if it’s allowed as per the rules, but I’ve always used them, even though the self portraits were extremely tedious to get right, camera angles never worked XD … by the way, I recently discovered a mod which gets rid of the camera filters, so the portraits turn out much better actually. It doesn’t interfere with the painting skill or anything else, just the filters which are applied when you click “C” to take a snapshot. I guess that one should be ok for the challenge, too? It’s on mod the sims, something like “portrait stil life quality fix”.

  25. Liv

    On generation 1 when my founder was married, we barely had a house. Then I got the wedding gifts and one was worth $75,000 and we haven’t been in poverty since.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Haha yeah that happens sometimes! It’s completely legal too, so consider yourself lucky and enjoy the funds! :)

  26. Christina

    Just had a couple questions to clear up before I start my legacy. I’m a little unclear about the black-market rule. Is allowed to sell the things Kleptomaniacs steal or no? Also, is the Nraas story progression mod allowed? I was told that this mod notifies of when sims who’ve moved out marry and have children. I’d like to keep up with the members that move out and as far as I understand this would help me do so without having to change the active household. Thanks! :)

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes you can sell what Kleptomaniacs steal, the Black Market Restriction has been lifted. The Nraas story progression mod should be fine! In fact… I may go install that right now myself, I like keeping up with spares too :)

  27. Mister Wolfe

    I just had a quick question about Spares and Spouses:
    -Suppose the heir has a child with a spouse, and then the spouse gets divorced/ moves out/ or dies. Then the heir has a second child with second spouse.

    1: Are both children legitimate candidates to be the next heir? Do both children earn points?
    2: In this case there are two spouses, but only one has contributed to the next generation. Does that mean out of the two spouses, only the parent of the next heir is able to earn points?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      1 – Yes, both children are legitimate candidates to be the next heir as they are both directly related to the previous heir. You can have as many spouses as your want for your heir! In my current Legacy, heiress is a vampire so she’ll be outliving several spouses. I intend to have her have many offspring with various different spouses.

      2 – If I am reading your example correctly… both spouses have technically still contributed to the next generation even if only one of those children becomes the heir (the other would still be the spare). So they would still be able to earn points.

      1. Mister Wolfe

        Okay, good to know, I didn’t know there could be multiple spares from multiple spouses. Thank you very much!

  28. Devin

    So i was wondering, during the challenge, can i alter the way sim offspring looks, like can i edit them in CAS if i don’t like their looks?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Hmm… I didn’t even realize you could change your Sims looks in CAS after the founder. Do you mean changing physical traits like nose size or just adding makeup and changing hair style/color? If it’s the former, then no you can’t change physical traits. If it’s the latter, then yes, you change your Sims hair/makeup/hair color to your heart’s desire.

  29. Werdiosimmer

    Ummm. My sim is like half werewolf half witch how would there children pop out witch or werewolf?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Good question! I have no idea! I would assume they have a 50/50 chance of being either one, though.

  30. WakkoHedgehog

    I just have a few questions about the legacy challenge.

    1. Can you send your founder to college to get a degree which allows him/her to get better pay and start at a higher career level for that specific career.

    2. There is a feature in University Life where you can apply for extra funds every 24 sim hours. One of my sims was on the Dean’s list and if I recall he received around 5,000 simoleons. I was wondering how many times we can do that during our sim’s time at University.

    3. Are you allowed have your founder live in Oasis Landing? It is the town the teleporter from Into the Future teleports you to after it shows up on your lawn.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      1) Yes your founder can attend college

      2) This one I am not sure about. I will need to ask Pinstar when he gets home from work later today.

      3) Yes, as far as I know, they can live in Oasis Landing, but again I will want to confirm this with Pinstar as well.

  31. EuphorialQueen

    [bold]Two questions:[/bold] [bold]#1= Specific lots[/bold] “If you move into Riverview, you must move into “345 Riverblossom Hills Drive”. If you move into Sunset Valley, you will be moving into “15 Summer Hill Court”. The common thread between these lots is that they are large, empty and cost $14,700. Yes I know that leaves you with only $1,300 in cash to build a house, that’s the point. ” I have a horrible history of game crashes with the ginormous lots. Would a 50×50 size be okay as long as I reduced family funds down to $1,300 on hand?
    [bold]#2= Consignment.[/bold] I read thru the rules above an see no mention of anything against Consignment. Is this allowed?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes, that is fine! You can use whichever lot you want and then “FamilyFunds” the money down to the right amount.

      1. EuphorialQueen

        Thank you for the clarification.
        I think my Consignment question got lost. ;)
        >^..^<
        I read thru the rules above an see no mention of anything against Consignment. Is this allowed?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Yes, you can use the consignment store!

  32. AnimatedCookie

    What is the rule on supernaturals? Are they allowed or no?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yep! They are allowed!

      1. RKade

        What about their lifespans? Their ungodly long (in some cases) lifespans?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          The lifespans should be set to “Normal” :)

          1. RKade

            What I mean is supernatural sims live a long LONG time.

            “Like vampires, fairies have a lifespan that is five times as long as that of a normal Sim, whereas werewolves have a lifetime that is 1.5 times as long.”

            Alchemy is utterly broken in places to in regards to keeping things fair but I figure people can use their judgement on that. I mean it’s not like you guys haven’t made the spirit of the legacy challenge pretty clear. Nevertheless, you might want to clear all that supernatural stuff up.

          2. ImaginingMystic

            Sorry, missed this response. I’ll ask Pinstar what he thinks. I personally have Supernaturals in the Fantasia Legacy. I figure if they start living too long, I can just cure them so they can live out the rest of their mortal life. I’ll have him weigh in once he gets home from work.

  33. Wrathie

    Hi, I was wondering when your heiress/heir becomes old enough and their parents are still very much among the land of the living…is it ok to move them out of the house or do I have to wait til the founder snuffs it?

    Cheers x

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Heirs/heiresses can only move out to go to college, otherwise they must live on the Legacy lot for their entire lives. Spares can live where ever you please.

      1. Wrathie

        Oops, I meant can I move the founder, when the heir/heiress ages up lol. My bad, sorry lol x

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Yes, the founder can move out once the heir/heiress comes of age. Their portrait will still count towards points as well, I believe.

  34. Wrathie

    Oops, I meant can I move the founder, when the heir/heiress ages up lol. My bad, sorry lol x

  35. bosay831

    I thought the founder had to live their life out on the lot.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      That was the case in Sims 2, but in Sims 3 they can move out if you choose.

  36. Karla

    Is the sim finder app allowed you get it at level 5 of social networking. I’m asking because it lets you pick gender age and traits of a sim and it has them show up where you are to interact with them. Meaning you can pick the traits and stuff of your spouse if you want. And if you don’t like who it sends you you can just do it again

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yep, that is perfectly fine! In fact, I believe Pinstar is using this tool in his Legacy Strategy and Tactics video.

      1. Karla

        Great thanks.

  37. Sam

    The Sims 3 Pets takes up the only lot of that size in Sunset Valley with the equestrian center? How can we make up for that, in world editor their is not space in this neighbor hood to put such a large lot.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      There is actually a few spots in Sunset Valley to place other 64 x 64 lots, they are just off the beaten path a bit. I would recommend placing a new 64 x 64 lot in “Edit Town” and then moving the Equestrian Center there so that your Legacy lot can be in the spot the Equestrian Center is. Here is an example of where you can place another 64 x 64 lot: http://i.imgur.com/PGh5mNE.jpg

  38. RKade

    Stupid question: coming from Pinstar’s video, is it $1800 or $1300 we’re supposed to start with because, at some point, new families got $500 more.

    It’s inflation! The economy’s crashing… again! RUUUUN!!!

    1. ImaginingMystic

      It’s supposed to be $1300, not $1800. I messed it up on my Let’s Legacy, sorry about that!

      I will be restarting my Let’s Legacy series soon with the correct amount. For some reason I thought the starting lot in Sunset Valley was 14,200 and not 14,700.

      1. RKade

        Your husband did it on his video too which is why I asked.

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Oh, whoops! I just went back and re-watched it. That was my fault, I told him how much the lot costs in Sunset Valley, but I gave him the figure of $14,200 and not $14,700. I’ll have him correct that in his next video. Gosh, you’d think considering it’s our challenge we’d at least get the starting figures right *facepalm*.

          1. RKade

            Such is my eagle eye… ear… senses. Also those supernaturals live a long time in some cases (see above. I perused the wiki for that quote.)

          2. ImaginingMystic

            Ok actually, I just researched this. I went to Sunset Valley… moved the Equestrian Center, and purchased the large lot on 15 Summer Hill Court. My test sim started with $16,500 and the lot was $14,700. She ended up with $1800. So I guess the amount that Sims start with went up since the first game? $1800 is fine to start with then. I’ll change that in the rules.

  39. Tony

    There really needs to be some additions about Supernaturals and how to play them in the context of the Legacy Challenge. While I understand that the overall spirit of a legacy is to play it the way that’s fun for you, Supernaturals make the legacy run really long, even when running under normal game settings. I was seriously considering disabling Supernaturals in my game settings (I already have zombies disabled) and restarting my current Roster legacy, but i’m still playing this one out right now just to see how it goes.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      I agree. I will discuss it with Pinstar tonight and see if we can come up with something official. Once we do I will add it to the rules list.

      1. RKade

        Any news, ImaginingMystic?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Ack, I completely forgot about this! I’ll mention it to him tonight, sorry!

    2. EuphorialQueen

      I have a need to know as well. Started my Legacy in Lucky Palms and the Founder just got married and THEN I realized her spouse is a Werewolf. Their infant daughter has inherited the Werewolf trait. I think the longevity for Supernaturals does not kick in until Young Adult.

    3. ImaginingMystic

      Ok I just spoke with him about this, sorry I forgot initially. Pinstar doesn’t personally like Supernaturals for several reasons, but they are still allowed in the challenge. You can choose to turn Supernaturals off entirely if you wish, or you can play them. As far as the ones that live a long time, if it gets to be too tedious to keep them in the household, you can always move them out once the next heir comes of age. Keeping Supernaturals in your game, however, is entirely up to you. If you do choose to use them, just keep in mind the consequences (ie they will be around a LONG time) before doing so. Also, bear in mind that some supernaturals can be cured (vampires and werewolves I believe), so if you REALLY don’t want someone to be one of those, you can always cure them.

      1. RKade

        The wife and I have a unique rule for supernaturals that we came up with now that we can play The Vampire Lestat for realsies. Aspiration legacy points are multiplied by the lifespan of the individual.

        Werewolf = 150k per point (1.5x lifespan)
        Fairy/vamp = 500k per point (5x lifespan)

      2. EuphorialQueen

        Thank you for this clarification. I like Supernaturals myself (though Zombies can be both amusing and annoying) and will keep them in my game. My main concern is the aging up part. Guess I will cross that bridge when I come to it. I am playing this Legacy Challenge for the very first time just for fun. I am not tracking points… just want to get past generation five for a change.

  40. Bella

    When you CAS and make your sim can you make a dog or a cat?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes you can!

  41. Anonymous

    Is it possible to play the legacy with same gender couples for the founder/heirs; or is it necessary to have an opposite gender couple for the sake of giving birth?

    If they are allowed, how should I go about getting them legitimate heirs?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Same gender couples are allowed. There is a mod out there somewhere that will allow them to conceive children and that is perfectly ok to use in the Legacy. I just don’t know the name of the mod off-hand because I don’t have it in my game.

      1. RKade

        Stupid question: why not allow adoptions for same sex couples?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Babies that are adopted wouldn’t be blood related to the founder and that’s part of the Legacy challenge main rules (Unless that has changed in Sims 3? I actually haven’t adopted any Sims so I have no idea). I believe someone has come up with an alteration of the original Legacy called the “Adoptacy” that uses adoptions instead of blood-related children.

          1. Isa

            If you have the into the future expansion pack you can engineer a baby for your couple.

            You have your sim go to the hospital in oasis landing and it will give you a choice to mix your sim’s dna will another sim you know (gender doesn’t matter here, however you must be good friends. You might need at least 3 good friends for this option to show up however I do not know this for sure) or a random sim (meaning genetics will be your sim’s dna mixed with a random one’s).

            Because it mixes the dna of the two sim’s as well as the genetics I think its safe to say that the baby would be considered blood relation, but I guess thats for you to decide.

          2. ImaginingMystic

            Yes this is fine. This seems like it would be a good way to have a homosexual heir have a child and still have the child be blood related without the use of a mod, so yes, this is perfectly fine!

  42. EulaJade

    I was wondering if it would be against the rules to have the founder ‘raid’ the town garden’s for food till they have the funds for there own food?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yep, that is allowed! Pinstar’s original founder did just that to get food. Actually… I had forgotten all about that when I started my new Legacy. Whoops!

  43. Christina

    I might have missed this in the rules, but can the founder (or any other sim) sell the wildflowers he picks or the metals/bugs/seeds/small animals he finds around town?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes, that’s fine!

  44. Christina

    I are we allowed to use the inheritance lifetime reward? I noticed it wasn’t mentioned above so I wanted to make sure.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      It’s not. Sorry! I thought I had put that in the rules, but I must have missed it. Correcting now.

  45. Jemma

    Okay, so there is one question I have that I ant seem to find an answer to.
    What are the ageing settings required during the legacy challenge?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Set aging to normal :)

  46. chaoticramblings

    Is it possible to create a spouse that looks the way you want but then use the Random thing to generate their traits and Lifetime Wish? I just have a hard time with ooogly sims. lol

    1. ImaginingMystic

      You mean creating them along with the founder in CAS? If that’s the case, then unfortunately no as only the founder can be created in CAS. Spouses need to be NPCs/townies from the world and not created by the player. Part of the challenge is having the founder be alone for a while while they search for their potential mates. Plus finding spouses that aren’t rich and and are of the right age add to the challenge as well.

      1. ImaginingMystic

        Actually, Pinstar added that if you have a female founder/heiress you COULD use a player created male Sim as a “baby daddy” for the next generation, but you can’t move them in, they can only be used to conceive the next generation.

  47. Mohammed

    Hello !
    So I HAVE THIS QUESTION ~!
    im doing the legacy , i started earlier , and i wanted really to start getting my babies out [ sounded so wrong ]
    my Heir Lionell Robb , He Is A Guy , so i played for like about 5 hours ;-; and whenever my heir wife [ Morganna ] gets pregnant she always get me girls , and now they are soon elder [ im playing in the short lifespan , i know its against the rules but i tweaked the rules a little bit ] so they’re soon elders >.< [ 1 Day ] they have 4 girls now and i don't know what the sulation for the next heir , does one of the girls get to be the heir or ? thanks for this fun challange by the way :) really ENJOYING it !

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes, girls can be heirs! The only time they couldn’t be is if you decided to do a Patriarchy, but that’s completely optional.

      1. Mohammed

        What if i was doing the Patriarchy ? Is There A Solution :)?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Yes, you can have your pregnant Sim eat apples while pregnant. Eating apples increases the chance of them having a boy. Just don’t have her eat watermelons as those can increase the chance of a girl. I think you need to eat the actual fruit and not something that it is cooked in, but I’m not positive as I don’t usually do this myself.

          1. Mohammed

            Thanks :)! , I’m enjoying the challange so far :) !

  48. Mohammed

    My Town Has Stopped Producing And Almost Dead , Can I Make My Heir Marry A Pre-made sim i made and added in the town? or is should it be a townie?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      It should be a townie, I’ll have to ask Pinstar what to do in this situation!

    2. EuphorialQueen

      Hi Mohammed :) I was wondering if you have World Adventures or University or Into the Future EPs. Travel is a good way to find potential spouses. Also try calling for services like for Repair or Pizza delivery. Maybe strike up a conversation with the Mail Carrier, Maid or some other NPC/Townie. You never know who you can meet. I have not run into this issue … yet but I am only just now at Generation five and having fun. – EQ

  49. Tim

    Hi. I am wondering if Motive Mobile is banned from the challenge? I find it almost as op as moodlet manager…

  50. Erin

    Hi guys, not sure if you still check these comments. I started my first legacy late in the game, and have a question about LTW points. Can one SIM earn multiple points by fulfilling multiple LTWs using the Change Lifetime Wish reward? My heir’s mate is nearly finished with his perfect aquarium as a young adult and would like to contribute by earning points with a science career or perhaps perfect garden.

    Thanks!

    Erin

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes! A Sim in the Legacy family can earn multiple lifetime wants!

      1. Erin

        Awesome. And WooHoo for the quick response! Well, not THAT WooHoo…

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Haha!

          1. Erin

            Oh huh, I feel like I already should have known this, but it seems that you can’t change a Lifetime Wish after one has been accomplished. The “Change Lifetime Wish” reward disappears after the original one has been fulfilled. Oh well, back to polishing your fishbowls, matey.

  51. Liv

    Hi I’ve started a legacy called the McKnight. Kat is the founder and she has a baby boy and a toddler girl so say I wanted to use the boy as the hire am I allowed or do I have to use the girl?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      It doesn’t matter :) You can use the boy or the girl for the heir.

  52. Kate

    Hello,

    recently I’ve started reading some blogs about the 100 Baby Challenge and an idea was born in my mind. Would it be legitimate if I used some of the babies as spouses for my heirs? I’ve found one, that doesn’t use any CC, since also my legacy is CC free. Basically, the mother and the father are created by the player(s), but the children are not. What do you think about this? :-) I thought it would be fun!

    Have a nice day,
    Kate

    1. Pinstar Legacy

      There are two main reasons for the “No player created sims” rule. The first to avoid feeding wealth into the family by creating/downloading a super-rich sim and then marrying them. The second is to ensure that an heir’s spouse is not 100% hand crafted with the exact perfect traits. You can certainly fish around for desierable traits and let that factor into your heir’s dating decisions, but only the founder should have hand-picked traits.

      With all that being said, as long as you’re following the spirit of those rules with the 100 baby challenge, I say go for it, especially if you are randomizing the traits of the babies who would be spouses.

      1. Kate

        Hello Pinstar!

        I’m enjoying the legacy really a lot so far! The idea of the optional rule Story Teller was genius! Creating a blog to share the story with other simmers is so stimulating! I would have never thought it would glue me back to this game after I’ve been playing it in the past years and slowly got bored…

        I’m really happy about your message! I’m looking forward to collaborating with others, if they’ll want to. One blogger from the baby challenge also randomizes her babies traits, so it’s perfect! I share you opinion about perfectly picked traits, I used to play with the same traits over and over again and got bored. For instance, I think that the Inappropriate Trait is pretty fun to play with!

        Thank you so much!
        Kate

        PS: I’m really looking forward to playing TS4 Legacy Challenge!

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Thanks! Story Teller is a favorite of mine as well. I love reading and watching other Legacies evolve :)

          1. Kate

            Yep, me too :) I’ve just got to know about the Fantasia Legacy, I’m going to read your story ASAP!!! ;)

  53. Lisa

    Hi, I know that sims you’ve made can’t join the family but what if they had children with other sims, could my heir marry the child?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Not entirely sure. I’ll have Pinstar answer this when he wakes up! I THINK it is ok though because in later generations it doesn’t matter quite so much who they marry. We just don’t want it to be too easy in the first generation. Hence the no player created Sims rule.

      1. Lisa

        Hi, any news on this yet? :)

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Ack I completely forgot to ask him! He’ll be responding momentarily, sorry!

          1. Lisa

            Aha, no problem :)

  54. Breen

    First, I just wanted to say I love the challenge, even if I bend the rules to fit the play I want (don’t worry, I never keep points) I still use them as a jumping off point for most of my families.

    I added a variation and think you may be interested in it.
    Note that this will make getting all the LTWes a little harder, but it can still be done.

    The Founder has very strong ideals about working for yourself and family only and instills this in yheir children. As part of their beliefs, they, nor any of their heirs, may have a job or career of any kind and only make money through things they grow or make themselves. Ex. Founder farms and sells fruits and vegetables. Gen 2 heir is a fisherman. Gen 4. is an author.

    I allowed for sims moved or married into the family to have jobs since you can’t control their LTW.

    I’m sure there’s something I overlooked but wanted to share.

  55. Jolie

    Master of the Arts keeps coming up as my heir’s Lifetime Wish, but that is also his mother’s lifetime wish. I don’t want to use a duplicate if I don’t have to. Am I allowed to refuse that wish and wait for another to pop up?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes, you can refuse it and choose another :)

  56. Jolie

    Thank you!

  57. Mister Wolfe

    Hello! I have another few questions:

    1: Are you allowed to have more than 8 Sims living on the lot, or is this against the rules?

    2: One of my spares got married. Is her spouse able to collect legacy points for completing LTW, getting a portrait, etc?

    3: The spare’s spouse is connected via marriage to the founder on the family tree. But.. does the spare and spouse need to have children for his points to count?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      1 – No you can’t. Sticking with the standard 8 is best since Legacy families tend to get pretty buggy in the later generations, having more than 8 Sims would just make that worse.

      2 – Hmm… that one I can’t remember. I’ll have to ask Pinstar, but he’s traveling at the moment so it might be a few days before I can get an answer.

      3 – Again, I’d have to check with Pinstar because I can’t remember if children of spares count for points or not. I’ll let you know what I find out!

    2. Pinstar Legacy

      2. Spouses of spares don’t count, so they can’t earn you additional points. Only the spouses of the main ‘branch line’ bloodline (The founder and all the formal heirs)
      3. When looking for additioal family members to generate points, you want to stick with children of the main bloodline (spares). If you want more warm bodies to get more points, have your founder/spares have more children rather than trying to fill your house with children of the spares.

      1. Mister Wolfe

        Oh okay, thank you! I’ll have to move some of the spares out once they finish their LTW.

  58. Christina

    I had a question about some of the store content. The rules state that we cannot use things in our game that give us an advantage. So would it be allowed or not allowed to use the baby swing, walker, and playpen, and also the tab-cast? I actually only have the swing and tab-cast and haven’t used either yet. I planned to get the walker and playpen eventually so I wanted to make sure before I used any of those items in my game. I wasn’t sure if any of these items were seen as giving an unfair advantage. Thanks!

    1. ImaginingMystic

      I will check with Pinstar and get back to you! Might be a few days though, he’s away at the moment :)

      1. Christina

        Any word on this yet?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          He won’t be home until late Friday evening, so I probably won’t have an answer until at least Saturday morning.

    2. Pinstar Legacy

      The spirit of the rule is to have no custom content that would give you an unfair advantage over people who don’t have it. That said, if it is balanced and fairly priced, then you may use it. The rule is meant to be followed in spirit, so I’ll leave you to determine if those store items are too powerful or underpriced to be allowed in a legacy, as I have not played with them directly to make that determination.

  59. Jach

    Hi, I’m going to start the challenge too ^^ And I’ll put videos on YouTube :)

    just wanted to say, I tried the baby swing, walker, playpen and the tab-cast. It becomes too easy in my own opinion so I decided I won’t use them.

  60. Mandie

    I have 6 kids in my house and it’s full with 8 sims. I don’t want a mod that lets me have more than 8 because I go crazy trying to just get the 8 not to die. My eldest child is soon to be a young adult, can he move out and take the other spares with him as I have chosen my heir? Or do I have to wait until they become of age to move out. (I have currently: 3 teens with one almost an adult, 3 toddlers)

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes, he and all other spares can move out to another house if you wish :) Just bear in mind that they will no longer be able to earn you points.

  61. Big Steve

    Is this for just the base game? Because with University and Travel expansions my founder sim is usually a millionaire while he’s a young adult because of tiberium. What about life fruit?

    1. Pinstar Legacy

      The rules were originally balanced to the base game. Expansion packs have a way of throwing balance out the window.

  62. Linnea

    About NRaas mods
    May I use mastercontroller for layering makeup and things in CAS?
    And when a sim is born, may I also change their appearance in the mirror/stylist/plastic surgery? (I don’t think I’ll do a plastic surgery since I think it’s fun to see how sims-DNA work out lol)

    And since you only can have 8 sims in your household, can I use mastercontroller combined with portraitpanel do have the ability to have more than 8 sims?

    And storyprogression, I’m considering downloading the NRaas Story progression instead because many say that it’s better and makes other sims in the town marry, move, have babies etc etc rather than EAs Story progression.

    Other mods I use is sliders (but I guess that is more CC) and a bug-fixer mod but I also read that cheats fixing bugs are allowed so I assume it is.

    About heir and spares
    Must the spare still live in the legacy house if I need it?

    If the heir dies, and you don’t have a spare but the old heir is still alive (this would be with an elder male I guess) may I re-born the new generation?

    ___

    Thank you for the fun challenge :)

    1. Pinstar Legacy

      That sounds fine with mods in CAS as well as using it for bug fixing and story progression.

      Your spare must be living in the house if they are ever to become an heir; moving out renders them ineligible. An older heir CAN try to re-begin the tree.

  63. EuphorialQueen

    Per the rules above “-Clone Voucher is allowed but cannot earn the family any points”. Is this because of bloodlines?
    Currently my 8th generation twins just became young adults. I had already decided the girl would be heiress so I did a test with her twin. The male twin inherited a Clone voucher from his elder father. He took the voucher to the science lab to redeem for a clone child of himself. The male child, Houston, shows as his son with the family bloodlines intact.
    I am not tracking points (mainly because … math) and it is a bit late in the day allow a new Sims 3 Legacy rule.Personally with this being generation I have not long to go. I am just curious if this could be allowed.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Since we allowed adoptions, we suppose that Clone Voucher would be alright as well. It’s mostly for people that aren’t really interested in points though because it does mean that you can have a child without the need for a spouse. So since you aren’t super strict with the points, it’s probably fine :)

      1. EuphorialQueen

        I ended up quitting without saving. Kept getting Error 12 message. Went to a backup and continued on. Gen 8 has found herself a spouse and Gen 9 is on the way. Shhh… it’s a surprise I have not told her yet. :)

  64. Linnea

    Wich size is the lots mentioned? I use a custom world and first the lots are cheaper and I don’t know what size I should pick or place a new one. I need to get rid of some simoleons afterwards!

    1. ImaginingMystic

      The largest lot is 50 x 50 I believe. In some worlds they are cheaper than others. If you end up having too much money, use the Family Funds cheat to bring it down to the right amount :)

  65. ClaraLuminessa

    I am kinda confused are adopted kids allowed to be heirs or not?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes, they are allowed now. Sorry for the confusion!

  66. EuphorialQueen

    FYI: Generation TEN was just born and after … oh my … how many glitches that plagued this save I am done. *Yippee* Started Sat May 31, 2014 & Completed Wednesday August 20th 2014 (today). All in all I had great fun though sometimes my Sims (and the game) tried my patience. This is the very first time EVER in any Sims series that I can trace one family back ten generations. Thank you so much for presenting such an interesting challenge.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Congrats! That’s awesome!

  67. DavyWavy7

    Can you travel to the future during this

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yep!

  68. Chellebaldy

    I have found in my game the random button isn’t so random. I get the same traits a lot and there are some that never come up. Is it ok to do something like draw from a hat or pick a trait that has never been used.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Absolutely!

  69. Ryppen

    I had one quick question. With the Generations expansion new babies sometimes get the imaginary friend toy. If your heir ends up with an imaginary friend could you make it real and have your heir marry their imaginary friend? Or would that not be allow?

  70. Hannah

    Hi! I have googled this but found no clarification – I know that for the heirs everything needs to be randomised. What about the Lifetime Wants, though? Are you supposed to pick the first one that pops up in your wish panel (which would mean that a LOT of my Sims would want to Adopt 6 Strays because that one keeps showing up for my kids!)? Do you pick it when your Sim becomes a young adult? Or do you roll dice for it?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Only traits need to be randomized. Lifetime wants don’t need to be :) You can pick ones that appear when they are younger or choose one when they are a young adult. It’s entirely up to you.

      1. Hannah

        Thanks, that’s good to know!

  71. Mister Wolfe

    Hello, I’ve run into another roadblock. I installed Late Night on my Legacy Challenge save, but I’m having trouble getting celebrities and vampires to spawn. I think if it was a new save the game would automatically hand out celeb status and create some vamps, but in my case it isn’t doing that. So I’m wondering if this is within the rules:

    1: Is it okay to pick 10 sims in my town and give them celebrity status? I’d spread it out between all 5 celebrity levels, so: 3 level ones, 2 level twos, 2 level threes, 1 level four, and 1 level five.

    2: Bridgeport starts with some vampires. Is it okay to export some of them and place them on empty lots?

    I’m hoping that once there are a few celebs and vamps, StoryProgression will keep it going. I’m not planning on moving any of the celebs or vamps onto my lot, but I would interact with them.

  72. Christina Anderson

    I was just curious if using the traveler mod was allowable in the challenge in the context of the founder or heir traveling to another city (such as starlight shores or isla paradiso) to meet and bring home a mate?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      I’m unfamiliar with that mod. What does it do?

      1. Christina Anderson

        It allows you to travel to other cities (ex: Starlight Shores, Riverview, etc) as vacation meaning you aren’t just limited to going to France, China, or Egypt for vacation. As far as I know it treats it like a normal vacation. I’ve never actually utilized it. One of my other saves kept freezing when I’d attempt to travel and I popped the mod in one time and it helped me get to my destination without freezing (so there’s that benefit too). It also allows weather in all vacation destinations. In a normal game, even if you have Seasons, there is no weather in France, China, or Egypt. This mod allows weather to change in these places. (Although, it can make exploring a little more difficult).

      2. Christina Anderson

        Any word on this yet?

  73. Emmantelope

    Are you allowed to use into the future expansion pack? And if you can, are you allowed to travel to te future?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yes to both :)

  74. Emmantelope

    Oh also are you allowed to use the fast forward and pause buttons?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yep!

  75. Emmantelope

    It says up there ^^^ that u r allowed to choose your five traits but some people say u have to randomise?im confused.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      You choose the founder’s traits, but the heirs and spares all have to be random.

  76. Emmantelope

    I can’t find 15 Summer hill court

    1. EuphorialQueen

      Hello Emmantelope,
      In Sims 3 /Sunset Valley 5 Summer Hill Court is on the same hill as the Landgraabs’ and Alto’s mansions. If you have the Pets EP the game may have placed another lot there. Just bulldoze that lot and you are all set.

    2. EuphorialQueen

      Hello Emmantelope,
      In Sims 3 /Sunset Valley 15 Summer Hill Court is on the same hill as the Landgraabs’ and Alto’s mansions. If you have the Pets EP the game may have placed another lot there. Just bulldoze that lot and you are all set.

  77. Zoe

    Having been a long time player of sims & sims 3 I am doing the 10 gen legacy challenge for the first time, having looked through the rules & comments on here I can’t find much info on traits, clothing, hair etc.

    Does every heir have to have diff traits, clothes, etc i.e. wholly unique or can heirs share same hairstyles, shoes, likes?

    Ta

    1. Pinstar Legacy

      The traits of your heirs (and all children for that matter) are determined by the random trait generator. There are no restrictions on clothing, so feel free to use any and all custom content.

  78. Unicorn90

    Hi, I’m just wondering what to do about my town. I am only onto my second generation and already the town is dying and there are barely any young people for my current heir to meet. Do you have a solution for this that doesn’t involve mods? Would it be possible to simply open create a sim, do not edit the sim, randomise their traits and put them into the neigbourhood, or would that be breaking the rules?
    Thank you!

    1. Pinstar Legacy

      I think that would be acceptable. You can also use Awesomemod which (among other things) prevents that from happening.

  79. Moondragon007

    Can you modify your babies’ physical appearance, so they at least look like they’re related to the rest of the family? I wouldn’t want to get a blond, blue-eyed, pale-skinned baby in a family of dark-skinned and -haired people. (Lucy, you got some ‘splainin’ to do!)

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Yep that’s fine. Purely cosmetic changes are always allowed is it does not give you an advantage over anyone else.

      1. Moondragon007

        That includes name too? Some of the names included in the game are just yecch.

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Yep!

  80. Moondragon007

    Am I doing something wrong? My founder sim is living in an open field with just a toilet, shower, and bed, with a few panels of drywall for privacy, and that’s all she can afford. Before I started this, I figured I could at least build a dirt-floor shack.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      Sounds right to me! You can’t afford much of anything in the beginning and that’s totally normal :)

  81. Moondragon007

    Seems like y’all oughta start a FAQ list.

    I dunno if The Sims has an ingame geneology tracker, but here’s a great FREE family tree maker:

    http://www.familyecho.com

    You can keep track of multiple families, add notes on them, and even put a picture of them on the chart.

    1. ImaginingMystic

      FAQ list is in the works.

      And yes, FamilyEcho will be on there :)

  82. niikisaurus

    Is it too late to join the legacy challenge? I just got a new laptop and the Sims 3 yesterday. As soon as I get paid again I’m going and buying Sims 3 Generations but do I have to have that expansion pack to join..?

    1. ImaginingMystic

      It’s never too late! Start whenever you want :)

      1. niikisaurus

        Yaay c: also is it against the rules if I put a self made sims in the neighborhood so my sim can meet them and stuff..? Or do I have to have my founder marry a sim already in the town?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          Yep that’s fine. They can meet Sims that you seed into the game, however, they can’t marry them.

          1. niikisaurus

            Okay thank you c: so my founder can marry any sim premade by the game as long as they aren’t rich correct?

          2. ImaginingMystic

            Yep!

  83. Danny Takuto

    I am quite new to this so bear with me. What are the rules concerning elixers. I know I can’t use some of them, but I am not certain exactly which ones I am allowed to use. Mind if you give me a list of restricted potions? Thanks!

    1. Pinstar Legacy

      The potion of youth cannot be drunk more than once by any individual sim. Other than that, they’re fair game.

      1. Danny Takuto

        Also, another thing. I downloaded a world and there was two large lots. The 50×50 lot costs 15,000$ but the 64×64 is afound 8,500$ when it is supposed to be 14,500$. Which lot should I do a legacy challenge on?

        1. ImaginingMystic

          You can do the 50 x 50 lot if it costs more money. Or you could do the larger lot and family funds cheat your founder’s starting money down to $1,800.

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